From: cowen@glia.biostr.washington.edu
now i wish i had not voted for the ditz in office.
I wish everyone who voted either Republican or Democrat instead of Libertarian because they didn't want their vote to be wasted would take a moment to consider how their vote would have meant any less if they had voted for Andre Marrou and Nancy Lord in '92. Also, those who do not vote because they feel it just encourages the bastards should consider voting Libertarian next time. And those who voted for Perot as a protest, why not vote for freedom next time? tw
now i wish i had not voted for the ditz in office.
I wish everyone who voted either Republican or Democrat instead of Libertarian because they didn't want their vote to be wasted would take a moment to consider how their vote would have meant any less if they had voted for Andre Marrou and Nancy Lord in '92.
I'm still reasonably satisfied to have voted for Clinton. I don't think any of this stuff would have been any different if any other candidate had been elected. --Mike
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"Mike" == Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.org> writes:
Mike> I'm still reasonably satisfied to have voted for Clinton. I Mike> don't think any of this stuff would have been any different Mike> if any other candidate had been elected. I think that these proposals would still be coming from the government if Bush had been re-elected, but that they would generate more opposition, which would, to me, be a Good Thing. It is an unfortunate fact that in this country, people often react differently to an idea, depending on who produces it. I have spoken to people who really TRUST Clinton, and who have no objection to clipper and the wiretap bill, until you remind them the the Republicans could be in office again someday. Then they go "Oh, yeah. That would be a problem" There is also the partisan issue. It would be much easier to muster opposition in Congress if the majority party was not the same as the party of the administration. Linn H. Stanton <stanton@acm.org> The above opinions are exclusively my own. If anyone else wants them, they can buy them from me. Easy terms can be arranged. - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2 mQBNAitK8+EAAAECALzK83DH79m7DLKBmZA2h9U33fBE80EwT4xRY05K7WRfxpO3 BmhPVBmes9h97odVZ0RxAFvinOl4wZGOb8pDclMABRG0IUxpbm4gSC4gU3RhbnRv biA8c3RhbnRvbkBhY20ub3JnPrQnTGlubiBILiBTdGFudG9uIDxsc3RhbnRvbkBz aGVhcnNvbi5jb20+ =oCru - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQBVAgUBLXNSO8GRjm/KQ3JTAQEl4wH/cvsg3yl/iwKP1uQHJY5hqn/umpgbQznW tTm9XlPdl0NJa5PnysN8BoL4w5vskLjX3hFK33ZGknp+aUQl+zLKRg== -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Linn Stanton writes:
It is an unfortunate fact that in this country, people often react differently to an idea, depending on who produces it. I have spoken to people who really TRUST Clinton, and who have no objection to clipper and the wiretap bill, until you remind them the the Republicans could be in office again someday. Then they go "Oh, yeah. That would be a problem"
I don't detect any less opposition to Clipper and Digital Telephony from Clinton supporters than from Clinton opponents. Quite the opposite, if you want to know the truth. --Mike
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"Mike" == Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.org> writes:
Mike> I don't detect any less opposition to Clipper and Digital Mike> Telephony from Clinton supporters than from Clinton Mike> opponents. Quite the opposite, if you want to know the Mike> truth. Exactly. This is how I see it (all numbers made up for illustration): If Clipper/Digital Telephony are proposed by Clinton, 60% of Democrats and 70% of Republicans will support. If Clipper/Digital Telephony are proposed by a Republican, 40% of Democrats and 80% of Republicans will support. Linn H. Stanton <stanton@acm.org> The above opinions are exclusively my own. If anyone else wants them, they can buy them from me. Easy terms can be arranged. - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2 mQBNAitK8+EAAAECALzK83DH79m7DLKBmZA2h9U33fBE80EwT4xRY05K7WRfxpO3 BmhPVBmes9h97odVZ0RxAFvinOl4wZGOb8pDclMABRG0IUxpbm4gSC4gU3RhbnRv biA8c3RhbnRvbkBhY20ub3JnPrQnTGlubiBILiBTdGFudG9uIDxsc3RhbnRvbkBz aGVhcnNvbi5jb20+ =oCru - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQBVAgUBLXNb78GRjm/KQ3JTAQFdNAH/ZNjcqVtSVTQ8HY+qwAqgbOJrhKFNq6IO WA8bhJrRaccofIowUexlikyMyu1sVfE8FxZCCa1WO31wHAC996ZtOg== -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Mike Godwin writes:
Linn Stanton writes:
It is an unfortunate fact that in this country, people often react differently to an idea, depending on who produces it. I have spoken to people who really TRUST Clinton, and who have no objection to clipper and the wiretap bill, until you remind them the the Republicans could be in office again someday. Then they go "Oh, yeah. That would be a problem"
I don't detect any less opposition to Clipper and Digital Telephony from Clinton supporters than from Clinton opponents. Quite the opposite, if you want to know the truth.
I tend to agree with Mike here. Playing the "what if" game, had Bush won, the Clipper thing would still be rolling along (remember that it was started long ago, probably in the mid 80s). The arguments against it would have a slightly different flavor, the Right would be more mollified, and the Left would be screaming about a police state. Perhaps more Congressional opposition to Clipper would've emerged if Bush were Prez, but we don't know. I'm hopeful that the Congresscritters will eventually realize that the foundations of a police state are being laid with things like Digital Telephony (proposed first under Bush, of course) and the 31 flavors of Clipper, Capstone, and Tessera. The real problem is not Republican vs. Democrat, but the concentration of more and more economic and political power in the hands of the State and the continual erosion of individual liberties. But you've heard some of us talk about this before, so I'll stop. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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