RC4 compatibility testing
One data point: I can't say anything about the internals of RC4 versus the algorithm that Bill Sommerfeld is rightly calling 'Alleged RC4', since I don't know anything about RC4's internals. However, I do have a (legitimately acquired) copy of BSAFE2 and so I'm able to compare the output of this algorithm to the output of genuine RC4 as found in BSAFE. I chose a set of test vectors and ran them through both algorithms. The algorithms appear to give identical results, at least with these key/plaintext pairs. I note that this is the algorithm _without_ Hal Finney's proposed modification (see <199409130605.XAA24133@jobe.shell.portal.com>). The vectors I used (together with the ciphertext they produce) follow at the end of this message. -Ekr Disclaimer: This posting does not reflect the opinions of EIT. --------------------results follow-------------- Test vector 0 Key: 0x01 0x23 0x45 0x67 0x89 0xab 0xcd 0xef Input: 0x01 0x23 0x45 0x67 0x89 0xab 0xcd 0xef 0 Output: 0x75 0xb7 0x87 0x80 0x99 0xe0 0xc5 0x96 Test vector 1 Key: 0x01 0x23 0x45 0x67 0x89 0xab 0xcd 0xef Input: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0 Output: 0x74 0x94 0xc2 0xe7 0x10 0x4b 0x08 0x79 Test vector 2 Key: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 Input: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0 Output: 0xde 0x18 0x89 0x41 0xa3 0x37 0x5d 0x3a Test vector 3 Key: 0xef 0x01 0x23 0x45 Input: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0 Output: 0xd6 0xa1 0x41 0xa7 0xec 0x3c 0x38 0xdf 0xbd 0x61 Test vector 4 Key: 0x01 0x23 0x45 0x67 0x89 0xab 0xcd 0xef Input: 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 0x01 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0xcc 0x7e 0x0c 0xa3 0xc4 0xaa 0xa3 0x04 0xa3 0x87 0xd2 0x0f 0x3b 0x8f 0xbb 0xcd 0x42 0xa1 0xbd 0x31 0x1d 0x7a 0x43 0x03 0xdd 0xa5 0xab 0x07 0x88 0x96 0xae 0x80 0xc1 0x8b 0x0a 0xf6 0x6d 0xff 0x31 0x96 0x16 0xeb 0x78 0x4e 0x49 0x5a 0xd2 0xce 0x90 0xd7 0xf7 0x72 0xa8 0x17 0x47 0xb6 0x5f 0x62 0x09 0x3b 0x1e 0x0d 0xb9 0xe5 0xba 0x53 0x2f 0xaf 0xec 0x47 0x50 0x83 0x23 0xe6 0x71 0x32 0x7d 0xf9 0x44 0x44 0x32 0xcb 0x73 0x67 0xce 0xc8 0x2f 0x5d 0x44 0xc0 0xd0 0x0b 0x67 0xd6 0x50 0xa0 0x75 0xcd 0x4b 0x70 0xde 0xdd 0x77 0xeb 0x9b 0x10 0x23 0x1b 0x6b 0x5b 0x74 0x13 0x47 0x39 0x6d 0x62 0x89 0x74 0x21 0xd4 0x3d 0xf9 0xb4 0x2e 0x44 0x6e 0x35 0x8e 0x9c 0x11 0xa9 0xb2 0x18 0x4e 0xcb 0xef 0x0c 0xd8 0xe7 0xa8 0x77 0xef 0x96 0x8f 0x13 0x90 0xec 0x9b 0x3d 0x35 0xa5 0x58 0x5c 0xb0 0x09 0x29 0x0e 0x2f 0xcd 0xe7 0xb5 0xec 0x66 0xd9 0x08 0x4b 0xe4 0x40 0x55 0xa6 0x19 0xd9 0xdd 0x7f 0xc3 0x16 0x6f 0x94 0x87 0xf7 0xcb 0x27 0x29 0x12 0x42 0x64 0x45 0x99 0x85 0x14 0xc1 0x5d 0x53 0xa1 0x8c 0x86 0x4c 0xe3 0xa2 0xb7 0x55 0x57 0x93 0x98 0x81 0x26 0x52 0x0e 0xac 0xf2 0xe3 0x06 0x6e 0x23 0x0c 0x91 0xbe 0xe4 0xdd 0x53 0x04 0xf5 0xfd 0x04 0x05 0xb3 0x5b 0xd9 0x9c 0x73 0x13 0x5d 0x3d 0x9b 0xc3 0x35 0xee 0x04 0x9e 0xf6 0x9b 0x38 0x67 0xbf 0x2d 0x7b 0xd1 0xea 0xa5 0x95 0xd8 0xbf 0xc0 0x06 0x6f 0xf8 0xd3 0x15 0x09 0xeb 0x0c 0x6c 0xaa 0x00 0x6c 0x80 0x7a 0x62 0x3e 0xf8 0x4c 0x3d 0x33 0xc1 0x95 0xd2 0x3e 0xe3 0x20 0xc4 0x0d 0xe0 0x55 0x81 0x57 0xc8 0x22 0xd4 0xb8 0xc5 0x69 0xd8 0x49 0xae 0xd5 0x9d 0x4e 0x0f 0xd7 0xf3 0x79 0x58 0x6b 0x4b 0x7f 0xf6 0x84 0xed 0x6a 0x18 0x9f 0x74 0x86 0xd4 0x9b 0x9c 0x4b 0xad 0x9b 0xa2 0x4b 0x96 0xab 0xf9 0x24 0x37 0x2c 0x8a 0x8f 0xff 0xb1 0x0d 0x55 0x35 0x49 0x00 0xa7 0x7a 0x3d 0xb5 0xf2 0x05 0xe1 0xb9 0x9f 0xcd 0x86 0x60 0x86 0x3a 0x15 0x9a 0xd4 0xab 0xe4 0x0f 0xa4 0x89 0x34 0x16 0x3d 0xdd 0xe5 0x42 0xa6 0x58 0x55 0x40 0xfd 0x68 0x3c 0xbf 0xd8 0xc0 0x0f 0x12 0x12 0x9a 0x28 0x4d 0xea 0xcc 0x4c 0xde 0xfe 0x58 0xbe 0x71 0x37 0x54 0x1c 0x04 0x71 0x26 0xc8 0xd4 0x9e 0x27 0x55 0xab 0x18 0x1a 0xb7 0xe9 0x40 0xb0 0xc0
Eric Rescorla writes:
I note that this is the algorithm _without_ Hal Finney's proposed modification
(see <199409130605.XAA24133@jobe.shell.portal.com>).
Hal Finney's patch makes syntactic sense, but won't affect the results of the algorithm. Therefore, Eric's test suite holds for both versions. nathan
Since RC4 is not patented, I could make a product out of this code. And then latter if it was patented I would be exempt from paying royalties on my product, no? brad
Brad Huntting says:
Since RC4 is not patented, I could make a product out of this code.
Yes.
And then latter if it was patented I would be exempt from paying royalties on my product, no?
Ahem. If an invention is successfully patented, any use you make of it requires royalties even if that use began before the patent was granted. However, RC4 is probably not patentable at this point -- unless Bidzos has a "submarine patent" in process, which I wouldn't put past him. Perry
And then latter if it was patented I would be exempt from paying royalties on my product, no?
Ahem.
If an invention is successfully patented, any use you make of it requires royalties even if that use began before the patent was granted.
However, RC4 is probably not patentable at this point -- unless Bidzos has a "submarine patent" in process, which I wouldn't put past him.
If there was considerable use prior to the patent application then there would be a good case to be made that it was in the public domain because of this use.
Jim choate says:
However, RC4 is probably not patentable at this point -- unless Bidzos has a "submarine patent" in process, which I wouldn't put past him.
If there was considerable use prior to the patent application then there would be a good case to be made that it was in the public domain because of this use.
A "submarine" patent application would have been made before the public use. .pm
"Perry E. Metzger" <perry@imsi.com> writes:
A "submarine" patent application would have been made before the public use.
I'm not familiar with this term, "submarine" patent application. But don't they have one year from the date of first publication to apply for a patent? It seems that this could count as first publication, so they would have one year from now to get their patent application in. As I said before, the NSA has indicated similar plans if Clipper is ever reverse engineered. Hal
Hal says:
"Perry E. Metzger" <perry@imsi.com> writes:
A "submarine" patent application would have been made before the public use.
I'm not familiar with this term, "submarine" patent application.
Basically, what you do is use administrative tricks to delay the patent from being issued for as many years as possible -- sometimes decades -- while the idea becomes popular and gets incorporated into lots of products. Patent applications in the U.S. are kept secret by law. Then, the patent finally gets granted -- resulting in lots of people suddenly finding that the product they've been building for many years is now patented by someone -- retroactively making them liable for fat juicy license fees. Another trick is to have the patent delayed by a secrecy order... Perry
Basically, what you do is use administrative tricks to delay the patent from being issued for as many years as possible -- sometimes decades -- while the idea becomes popular and gets incorporated into lots of products. Patent applications in the U.S. are kept secret by
FYI, there's a bill pending in the Senate that would change the term of a US patent from 17 years from grant to 20 years from filing. The specific intent is to deal with "submarine" patents. I understand it has already become quite controversial... Phil
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 08:26:18 -0700 From: Hal <hfinney@shell.portal.com>
don't they have one year from the date of first publication to apply for a patent?
that's in the us. many countries do not recognize post-publication patents.
It seems that this could count as first publication
could someone who knows comment on what us patent law considers publication?
As I said before, the NSA has indicated similar plans if Clipper is ever reverse engineered.
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