Re: crosspost re remailers

At 10:30 PM 5/14/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote:
I'd have thought that a remailer going down because of political/legal pressure would raise more of a ruckus.
At 11:02 AM 5/15/96 -0700, Bill Frantz wrote:
I thought the statement that remailers are supposed to be ephemeral and common was the answer.
Exactly so: Some nyms are valuable, most are valueless by design. All remailers should be valueless by design. The penet.fi remailer design is unsatisfactory precisely because it penet.fi is valuable, hence a target. If it gets shut down a lot of people lose their nyms, causing much inconvenience. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd@echeque.com

On Wed, 15 May 1996 jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
Some nyms are valuable, most are valueless by design. All remailers should be valueless by design. The penet.fi remailer design is unsatisfactory precisely because it penet.fi is valuable, hence a target. If it gets shut down a lot of people lose their nyms, causing much inconvenience.
The entry points into the system, though, have value. You need to be able to locate and trust them. Remailer reputations are valuable. Otherwise, you're liable to send your message into the NSA-remailers-are-us system. You need a web of trust among remailers at the very least, which means some level of exposure (at least by "social analysis" by observing the relationships among the various remailer nyms). Chaos within the system is good. Moving remailers around could be good, provided that a service location infrastructure is established. Raph's list is a good start, but it needs to be more automatic and dynamic -- which to me (perhaps wrongly) suggests formalization, which means points of failure. A system whereby you post messages to a public place -- like Usenet -- to be picked up by a random remailer whose location you do not know could be attractive, but there's a lot that could go wrong. I've been assured that the Cypherpunk Cabal (there is no cabal) is working on the problem. -rich "Outlay encryption, and only outlaws will have steganography."
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