-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks@toad.com Date: Sat Nov 23 14:16:14 1996 Peter Trei wrote: <snip>

It's kind of pathetic - I'm sure that the billions lost to cellular fraud far outweigh the value of crimes that the LEA groups have been able prevent by preserving their ability to illegally eavesdrop on cell calls without a warrant.

I agree, but to the LEAs, the "value of crimes" includes asset forfeiture "profits," which change that accounting in favor of eavesdropping (in their minds, at least). Of course, cellular fraud is paid for by others who, if they're politically active at all, are likely to demand even more money for the LEAs. A win -- win situation (in their minds, at least). JMR Regards, Jim Ray DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy One of the "legitimate concerns of law enforcement" seems to be that I was born innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. -- me Please note new 2000bit PGPkey & address <jmr@shopmiami.com> PGP id.A7D63DA9 98 1F 39 BA 93 86 B4 F5 57 52 64 0E DA BA 2C 71 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEPAwUBMpdNgjUhsGSn1j2pAQFCbQfOJss3rMfEaWt1kv8oNfiOvwtoaa15s6lc vOVqG9dBMKCI41/x+k8Jzsb4pVvQOu4cXtUvIDOojY3JvmEzO9EVl125o8/pDxZy iNqgpLic8Px0R/uASJCj9T0nnFemRmY+QznaQNMdgLs92nOHuEK6Kfi66lqEGmda CxeuOSdijI+U741bU1a7xjqhc0uwj4ycsjmBB9nOKPSIsbZZYkYcDirT0z/l1F48 aVFphyzek4FjhIaFNFTdGs9YUkJM7hJJ0EfpxeWUeBAfyjkphrATXnW2WGF/iExo 32h6EYgso94VCT7LiWfK20pQ4Mk43i6xemjDdPS+9oS93Q== =eZ9E -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----