-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Lucky Green wrote:

I have watched this silly debate for some time now. PGP pulled an awsome hack on corporate America, bringing strong crypto to thousands of corporate drones, while Cypherpunks, the crypto elite, seems incapable of reponding with anything other than to engage in frenzied mutual masturbation fueld by GAK fantasies.

This is sad. Very sad.

What is sad is that people who are capable of expositing their beliefs in a clear and coherent way choose instead to stoop to name calling. Wouldn't it be more effective to explain exactly how our views are "silly"? If what you say makes sense, some of us may even agree with you. You describe PGP's achievement as "an awsome hack on corporate America". Yet, Jason Bobier, an employee of PGP, Inc. says "_All_ of the developers at PGP are personal privacy zealots and no one likes the idea of the MRK." What is it that has Jason and his friends concerned? Clearly there are legitimate concerns and some people inside PGP, Inc. have them like everyone else. For that matter, why was it that Phil Zimmermann spoke out against exactly this sort of product not so long ago? What was it that concerned Phil? Why is this concern no longer relevant to the point of being "silly"? While we are at it, why was it that we didn't like Clipper? After all, its use was entirely voluntary and it would have disseminated crypto widely. In many instances, it would actually be preferable to 'PGP for Business' because the Feds wouldn't be tattling to your employer if you were considering employment elsewhere or complaining about your boss. 'PGP for Business' doesn't have the government's key built in, but the infrastructure is all there. It will get people accustomed to the idea that it is reasonable to be under constant surveillance by your employer, an idea which is easily extended to other listeners. And we've already seen members of Congress using 'PGP for Business' to justify GAK. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNE/J3ZaWtjSmRH/5AQF1Qwf/SA169EBTJ5XPC7By/nkiUMYNb9kZLoRP FExdNTiKw0hsRP45i99YhKebCifFwHCgGxhCu/Shw8RkHMWziVt0AhvcVUq4FM67 rHDQ9rzX6JTra8yI+esHmxk7A8C/FlaJJP7HHI38kBzd9XP9HMb7FE/OBF39sYvs RYE6VPKfXv4dL44j90PrJHeTaKRZCDObsauuGWBvynzsZRNNp90dXU9SJiBXQV3e rtmr0bo+IGmumiI1zpMta2jHguCH+16YWlaOoIOe6Ql5fh6KLqTouI+o5PlHM31S eqL6uLdEBUOwVFgbTtcdOlJbnWCvNLVgy/y9AhEr1sU0qYbC+jFcEA== =cVS2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----