Re: Markoff on Clipper III

At 02:33 PM 7/14/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote:
On the Friday "Clipper III" rehash by the Admin:
Balancing Privacy and Official Eavesdropping
By JOHN MARKOFF
"The president and vice president took an oath to protect our national security," Simon said. "They feel they have to err on the side of protecting national security."
The government also said that it did not see an immediate technical solution to the problems that would result from the global proliferation of "strong cryptography."
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Last time I looked, the oath they took was to protect the Constitution -- not the nation or national security.
It's called "mission creep." And they didn't quite tell the truth: Their main loyalty is to "government security" or even "job security."
I don't see an "immediate technical solution" to strong crypto either. Or, indeed, a long-term solution.
Thank heavens for that! Jim Bell jimbell@pacifier.com

At 4:57 PM -0700 7/14/96, jim bell wrote:
At 02:33 PM 7/14/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell wrote:
On the Friday "Clipper III" rehash by the Admin:
Balancing Privacy and Official Eavesdropping
By JOHN MARKOFF
"The president and vice president took an oath to protect our national security," Simon said. "They feel they have to err on the side of protecting national security."
The government also said that it did not see an immediate technical solution to the problems that would result from the global proliferation of "strong cryptography."
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Last time I looked, the oath they took was to protect the Constitution -- not the nation or national security.
Did you miss the part in the Constitution about "provide for the common defence" and about the President's associated responsibility to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed"? And what oath do you suppose binds him because "The President shall be commander in chief of the army and navy of the United States"? David

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Did you miss the part in the Constitution about "provide for the common defence" and about the President's associated responsibility to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed"?
And what oath do you suppose binds him because "The President shall be commander in chief of the army and navy of the United States"?
Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that firearms (or crypto in this case) are a threat to national security. In fact, the second amendment explicitly dictates that people have the right to own firearms. The term "national security" has been used too often to justify the government's actions. National security means making sure that terrorists don't find out the ICBM lauch codes, not making it illegal for people to use unescrowed encryption. - -- Mark =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= markm@voicenet.com | finger -l for PGP key 0xe3bf2169 http://www.voicenet.com/~markm/ | d61734f2800486ae6f79bfeb70f95348 "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows." --George Orwell, _1984_ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMeqANrZc+sv5siulAQGE6AP/QeF+z2oIK8t6Ri5AYMdi4uiw2XiIRgnn MEpYxQPpaA6m7jXCLx9/06xE4S+TCGkvTbjciEIQPBEhIQ0j7gqBgY5F+T6zSMOZ 8cTNqyYm2NyEkC4vWgaXe8zPf47eEmlaZbxT1tpkCWiVROV96u7i1ldcEjBbIr6e lhWt1bwg778= =RErS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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jim bell
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