Re: Oh No! Nazis on the Nets
I will indeed shoot at anyone that is trying to shoot at me. Tell me, are the Nazis currently censoring you in Germany?
Boy, what a comparison. I assume you are defending against bank robbery by taking them their money...
My point was very simple: a free country is one in which people may speak their mind.
A free country is a country where weak people can be protected before bad people with bad ideas speaking their mind. If the USA was a free country, you wouldn't have so many murders by gun. Is it an essential part of freedom to be free to attack everyone?
You cannot keep a country free by imposing censorship; it is a contradiction in terms.
You cannot keep a country free by allowing everyone doing whatever they want; this is a contradiction in terms.
I wish it were true. They were trying this for many years. We all thought that Naziism will never come back because the lesson (WW II) was big enough. But it didn't work as you can see in the news magazines.
Using your own criterion, the censorship hasn't worked either.
We DO NOT HAVE CENSORSHIP!!! (How many times do I have to repeat?) "Let them do what they want" didn't work.
If you can get them...
One has no choice but to try.
Don't you believe that we are trying? Do you think we are stupid?
Are you telling me that if I were to write in a newspaper "all Turks should be killed" that this would be legal under German law? I was under the impression that you cannot.
It is illegal, because it is "Anstiftung zum Mord", instigation for murder. This has nothing to do with press. Do you want to tell me that this is allowed in the USA? Do you want to tell me this is good?
Then by definition yours cannot be good, because yours is unfree.
Your are talking the hole time about things you don't know. What pieces of german press did you read?
Yes. In fact, many magazines are published with nude women in front. You may have difficulty finding places willing to sell them, however.
Isn't this a kind of censorship? Is this "can publish whatever I want"? Hadmut
danisch@ira.uka.de (Hadmut Danisch) writes:
A free country is a country where weak people can be protected before bad people with bad ideas speaking their mind. If the USA was a free country, you wouldn't have so many murders by gun.
There is an inherrent conflict between being "safe" and being "free." If you want the ultimate safety, you have to give up your freedoms completely. If you want the ultimate freedom, you have to give up your saftey completely. Most Americans (and, I suspect, Germans) want some freedom and some safety. Less than 2% of the handguns produced and owned in the United States are used in crimes. Perhaps we don't need two or three handguns per citizen... But, we ought to be able to have at least one handgun, one rifle and one fully automatic rifle per citizen...
Is it an essential part of freedom to be free to attack everyone?
Sure. Otherwise, I'm not free. But, is the liberty to attack someone a freedom that I cherish? Not really. Would I be willing to give it up for some measure of safety in return? Of course! That's why we have laws against murder, assault and rape.
You cannot keep a country free by allowing everyone doing whatever they want; this is a contradiction in terms.
Absolutely! The "safety" of your freedoms, depends upon the restrictions on your freedoms, to a point.
It is illegal, because it is "Anstiftung zum Mord", instigation for murder. This has nothing to do with press. Do you want to tell me that this is allowed in the USA? Do you want to tell me this is good?
This is neither allowed in the U.S. or good.
You may have difficulty finding places willing to sell them, however.
Isn't this a kind of censorship? Is this "can publish whatever I want"?
No. You're free to open your own shop to sell them, or have a man standing on the street corner to sell them. It's up to you. If I own a store, I'm not required to carry ever publication in the U.S. That would be an inane law [not that we don't already have inane laws here...] Jon Boone | PSC Networking | boone@psc.edu | (412) 268-6959 | PGP Key # B75699 PGP Public Key fingerprint = 23 59 EC 91 47 A6 E3 92 9E A8 96 6A D9 27 C9 6C
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