Challenge: Hack Elementrix!
Everyone, I think that with all the recent attention to Netscape and Microsoft that another target has been altogether overlooked: Elementrix POTP <spit>.
New encryption method announced
Sept. 29 -- Elementrix Technologies has announced a breakthrough in data encryption that does away with the need for passwords and public/private keys, instead working transparently at either an application or hardware level. Using the One Time Pad method of encryption -- acknowledged for a long time as being a superior encryption method -- Elementrix has released both an FTP and E-Mail package that makes sending secure messages as easy as just clicking a button. Its Power One Time Pad (POTP) technology promises to ensure that in the very near future, the entire Internet can become a fundamentally secure place.
Elementrix is on the Web. http://www.elementrix.co.il/ Reposted from sci.crypt: In article <30803C0E.2781E494@unix.ka9q.ampr.org>, Phil Karn <karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org> writes:
This announcement pegs my bogometer (a device for measuring bogons, the elementary particle of bogosity).
Readers of the Skeptical Inquirer and other similar publications will recognize all the classic signs of a scam, either deliberate or self-delusionary:
1. Breathless, overhyped language ("revolutionary", "breakthrough", etc)
2. Clear misstatements of well-established theoretical principles (the discussion of the one-time pad)
3. Reluctance to get specific, usually by citing proprietary concerns. When this is combined with a claim that a patent application has been filed, this is a clear sign of bogosity -- one's patent rights can be compromised only by publishing *before* filing, not after.
Unless, of course, the claim is rejected by the patent office, which is almost unheard of these days even for clearly bogus and/or trivial "inventions".
Phil
While Elementrix has failed to provide any detailed technical information (specifications, source code, etc.) this is not entirely out of reach. You can obtain an evaluation copy of their "secure" FTP client from ftp://ftp.elementrix.co.il/pub/secftp/ This appears to be a binary for Microsoft Windoze. The server at ftp.elementrix.co.il is a "secure" server. Note: ftp> open ftp.elementrix.co.il Connected to ftp.elementrix.co.il. 220 sunex FTP server [Elementrix POTP(1.51) Secure FTP(1.5-3)] ready. Name (ftp.elementrix.co.il:dwa): anonymous 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. Password: 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. ftp> close 221 Goodbye. ftp> So there you go. Sure, commented source code with accompanying specifications for an implementation are nice, but did Ian and David have such luxuries for their Netscape hack? I will confess that I have not actually tried running their software, let alone reverse-engineering it, as I am Windoze-challenged (running on SunOS 4.1.x as we speak). However, I'm sure there are probably many people on this list with suitable Windoze platforms complete with the necessary reverse engineering tools. In many ways, Elementrix is a more enjoyable target. Their claims of security reek of more marketing hype than even Microsoft would stoop to, and their use of the term "One Time Pad" is disgusting. At least Netscape is trying to use respectable crypto algorithms and is being open about their code. These people deserve to flamed far more than Netscape (and even Microsoft) ever did. Perhaps someone could even convince Sameer to do T-shirts. I'll even agree to cover the cost of one for the first exploit. How about it, Sameer? :) Dana W. Albrecht dwa@corsair.com
"Dana W. Albrecht" writes:
I think that with all the recent attention to Netscape and Microsoft that another target has been altogether overlooked: Elementrix POTP <spit>.
Indeed. I think it is very important that someone out there embarass these guys. They are truly a frighteningly bad bunch -- totally ignorant, it seems, of cryptography, and arrogant to boot. Breaking their software would probably have the good result of keeping people from being hurt by them, and might even convince them to sell good stuff in the future instead of snake-oil. If I had the time to hack their stuff I'd do it myself, but I'm willing to contribute the cost of a prize T-Shirt for the person who successfully breaks them. (By the way, Sameer keeps doing end runs around me and paying for prizes -- no fair! I want to spend some of my money occassionally!)
1. Breathless, overhyped language ("revolutionary", "breakthrough", etc)
2. Clear misstatements of well-established theoretical principles (the discussion of the one-time pad)
Yup.
While Elementrix has failed to provide any detailed technical information (specifications, source code, etc.) this is not entirely out of reach.
You can obtain an evaluation copy of their "secure" FTP client from ftp://ftp.elementrix.co.il/pub/secftp/
This appears to be a binary for Microsoft Windoze.
Doesn't sound like it would be too hard to hack. Gentlemen, start your microprocessors! Perry
them. (By the way, Sameer keeps doing end runs around me and paying for prizes -- no fair! I want to spend some of my money occassionally!)
I'll let Perry take care of this one, actually. I'm concentrating on the big players, and I've actually never heard of Elementrix. -- Doing Microsoft is tough enough, given my complete lack of knowledge about microsoft products. -- sameer Voice: 510-601-9777 Community ConneXion FAX: 510-601-9734 The Internet Privacy Provider Dialin: 510-658-6376 http://www.c2.org (or login as "guest") sameer@c2.org
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