Re: [NOISE] [Wager: Seeming Resolution]

At 12:57 AM 4/24/96 -0400, Declan B. McCullagh wrote:
Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 23-Apr-96 [Wager: Seeming Resolution] by Black Unicorn@schloss.li
The only issue is how you wish to modify that claim for the purposes of the wager so as to bring it within a semblence of accuracy.
Absent further interest on your part, I consider the matter closed and your claim retracted.
I confess I had a good laugh at Jim Bell's expense. His attempt at weaseling was sadly uninspired, and Black Unicorn was quite right to move in for the kill.
What "kill"? Unicorn claimed a few days ago that he THOUGHT that his challenge would never be accepted, ostensibly because of haggling by me. I interpret this as unwillingness to bargain in good faith (sandbagging), which is reasonable given Unicorn's track record. Given this thinly-veiled warning of dishonesty, it is only realistic that I would not want to accept his challenge. Notice that he hasn't presented what he would claim to be the scope of the conditions, which suggests that he's going to try to spring them on me later. I, for one, am not going to accept the legal equivalent of a witch-doctor's example, and I don't think anyone else here would find that to be acceptable either. Further, all this is merely an attempt to distract from the issue that I raised, one that Unicorn hasn't dared to talk about yet: I claimed that of the examples quoted in that SC decision, which were cited as exceptions to 5th amendment protections in the US, all of them represent examples which were only considered technologically useful in the last 100 years, the oldest being fingerprinting. Given this, it is easy to conclude that there is no realistic basis for an interpretation that they are genuinely exceptions to 5th amendment protections, and were allowed simply because they were useful. Isn't it interesting how Unicorn always seems to dodge the analysis and replace it with precedent? Jim Bell jimbell@pacifier.com

Jim: On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, jim bell wrote:
Notice that he hasn't presented what he would claim to be the scope of the conditions, which suggests that he's going to try to spring them on me
I haven't seen a list of your conditions yet. How about placing your minimally acceptable requirements for accepting Black Unicorn's Wager.
the examples quoted in that SC decision, which were cited as exceptions to 5th amendment protections in the US, all of them represent examples which were only considered technologically useful in the last 100 years, the oldest being fingerprinting. Given this, it is easy to conclude that there
Which makes it interesting that he provides an Ecclesiastical Court Decision from the Seventeenth Century. It isn't the US, but you haven't made an limitations as to which legal system is acceptable.
Isn't it interesting how Unicorn always seems to dodge the analysis and replace it with precedent?
Almost as interesting as your not admitting your errors when they are pointed out to you. xan jonathon grafolog@netcom.com ********************************************************************** * * * Opinions expressed don't necessarily reflect my own views. * * * * There is no way that they can be construed to represent * * any organization's views. * * * ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/gr/graphology/home.html * * * * OR * * * * http://members.tripod.com/~graphology/index.html * * * ***********************************************************************

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What "kill"? Unicorn claimed a few days ago that he THOUGHT that his challenge would never be accepted, ostensibly because of haggling by me. I interpret this as unwillingness to bargain in good faith (sandbagging), which is reasonable given Unicorn's track record. Given this thinly-veiled warning of dishonesty, it is only realistic that I would not want to accept his challenge.
Jim Bell's ignorance apparently knows no boundaries. That's not what "sandbagging" means. In poker, to sandbag is to raise a bet after having opened that betting round by checking. It's frowned upon in some poker games, but completely acceptable in others - check the house rules before trying it. Try as I might, I can't see how Black Unicorn's statements qualify as sandbagging. He certainly didn't open the betting by checking! - -- Alan Bostick | They say in online country there is no middle way mailto:abostick@netcom.com | You'll either be a Usenet man or a thug for the CDA news:alt.grelb | Simon Spero (after Tom Glazer) http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~abostick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMX8PwuVevBgtmhnpAQHf3wL/VWAPk8uF8p9hsUKp9q6OLd8TpRKN4N0Y aE3t2ECHB1unfjtSAeQxF1PeGhJdv53XWvcRyS44dgHNaylovpbJSXN3IEUg0GeT 9JyaieZ02EHBlHeNrUjCWTNfJAtSLVdX =AGof -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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