Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!psinntp!psinntp!news From: ralphpepper@lesueloc.com Subject: Re: BATF raid in North Carolina Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <1994Jul27.031907.6182@nntpxfer.psi.com> Sender: news@nntpxfer.psi.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage References: <J+7xDKE.countdownhob@delphi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 05:49:26 GMT Lines: 61 Re:

Rebecca Rohan <rrohan@eskimo.com> writes:

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Yo, those of you in rec.models.rockets who are whining about the crosspost --- you are one action/adventure movie away from the same treatment or worse.

Rebecca,

I, for one, appreciate the information you're providing. Too many average citizens have no idea what's going on with federal agencies. Unconstitutional power grabs are getting bigger and more frequent all the time. If it isn't stopped soon, we will be stopped dead in our tracks as a free nation.

COUNTDOWN HOBBIES 3 P.T. Barnum Square Bethel, CT 06801-1838 203-790-9010 Kevin Nolan NAR 16148; TRA 0943 CTRA/NARCONN

I currently don't have any HPR motors, reloads or any such thing. I left them behind when I moved to Georgia (not knowing the legal climate down here). So I feel (relatively) safe putting forth my two cents worth as to what I would do. First, I would be rigidly legal in every respect. In fact, after hearing about them worrying about casing residue I would make sure I didn't even have so much as a spent D12-0 casing. Anything I needed would be bought enroute to any launch meet, or at the meet itself. Second, I would endeavor to be as 'safe' and 'peaceful' as possible. There would be no 'terminator 2' talk out of me. Third, if I did get attacked, everything would be 'yessir' and 'nossir'. Then, I would quietly go down to the federal courthouse and file a RICO Act lawsuit. RICO Act stands for Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act. This is what is commonly referred to as being charged with 'racketeering'. RICO allows individuals (as well as governments) to file against persons or organizations that commit three major offenses against one person or a major offense against three or more persons. One unique feature that makes it exceedingly lucrative for lawyers to take on contingency is that the awarded amount is TRIPLE the sum of all court costs, out-of-pocket costs, compensatory, and punitive damages. Certain agencies may be immune but not all of them. Also, you could argue that immunity only applies to their lawfully empowered duties and when they exceed that authority, that they are acting outside of government protection and become private citizens commiting acts against other private citizens. There was a church in California in 1979 that began moving to do something like that against the state Attorney General (Dukemajian at the time). The state was trying to take over all of that church's operations (under a law protecting charitable trusts - like United Way) Ex-Parte on the claim from six ex-members that money was being absconded with. California tried to impose their own people into that church's ruling hierarchy & even declared in open court that all churches in California thereafter belonged to the state. The threatened suit plus the outrageously gross misapplication of the law spooked the California legislature into repealing that law completely over the violent protestations of Attorney General Dukemajian. I believe there was a book about this called "Against the Gates of Hell" or something by somebody named Rader.