Re: DL in exchange for fingerprint
At 9:13 PM 9/19/96, Gary Howland wrote:
Timothy C. May wrote:
(Yes, I disliked being thumb-printed, but I could see no viable alternative. I'm sure Duncan has some scheme to declare himself a Botswanan exchange student, but I decided being thumb-printed was the lesser hassle.)
Sure, it's always less hassle doing what they want. Privacy doesn't come for free. It's easier to let the police search you in the street than it is to make them arrest you so that you can make a formal complaint.
So, just what it is _your_ method of dealing with this? While it is noble to talk about fighting the system, just how do you go about doing it yourself? Do you simply drive without a valid driver's license? I know some folks who do, of course, but it's not something that's "worth it" to me. (This space reserved for your lecture about how I need to be prepared to go to jail to defend my right not to be thumbprinted, etc. On second thought, why don't you be the one to go to jail, and then you can let us know your experiences.)
Paraphrasing that famous quote, just which part of "not for identification" don't they understand?
Hmm - who are you paraphrasing here? (Just curious).
"What part of "No" don't you understand?" and "What part of "Congress shall make no law" don't you understand?" --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May) writes:
So, just what it is _your_ method of dealing with this? While it is noble to talk about fighting the system, just how do you go about doing it yourself?
How about just putting your finger in a cast or splint before you renew your license?
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, John Anonymous MacDonald wrote:
tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May) writes:
So, just what it is _your_ method of dealing with this? While it is noble to talk about fighting the system, just how do you go about doing it yourself?
How about just putting your finger in a cast or splint before you renew your license?
Does Nevada have the same rules as California wrt fingerprints for driver's licenses? (Of course, this concept has been rehashed a hundred times on the list even during that fraction of its existance that I have been here). Phil Fraering "And the moral of the story is, pgf@acadian.net *never count your boobies until they 318/261-9649 are hatched*." - James Thurber, "The Unicorn in the Garden"
Timothy C. May wrote:
At 9:13 PM 9/19/96, Gary Howland wrote:
Timothy C. May wrote:
(Yes, I disliked being thumb-printed, but I could see no viable alternative. I'm sure Duncan has some scheme to declare himself a Botswanan exchange student, but I decided being thumb-printed was the lesser hassle.)
Sure, it's always less hassle doing what they want. Privacy doesn't come for free. It's easier to let the police search you in the street than it is to make them arrest you so that you can make a formal complaint.
So, just what it is _your_ method of dealing with this? While it is noble to talk about fighting the system, just how do you go about doing it yourself?
Use your imagination. (hint: Do all states require thumbprints for DLs?)
(This space reserved for your lecture about how I need to be prepared to go to jail to defend my right not to be thumbprinted, etc. On second thought, why don't you be the one to go to jail, and then you can let us know your experiences.)
I have never seen the logic in this approach. Sure, if it's relatively easy to make a protest, then I'll do it, but going to jail out of principle is certainly more hassle for me than for "them". I would sooner demonstrate the futility of what they are trying to do, whether it be censorship or prohibition.
Hmm - who are you paraphrasing here? (Just curious).
"What part of "No" don't you understand?"
Who said it? Gary -- "Of course the US Constitution isn't perfect; but it's a lot better than what we have now." -- Unknown. pub 1024/C001D00D 1996/01/22 Gary Howland <gary@systemics.com> Key fingerprint = 0C FB 60 61 4D 3B 24 7D 1C 89 1D BE 1F EE 09 06
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
At 9:13 PM 9/19/96, Gary Howland wrote:
Timothy C. May wrote:
(Yes, I disliked being thumb-printed, but I could see no viable alternative. I'm sure Duncan has some scheme to declare himself a Botswanan exchange student, but I decided being thumb-printed was the lesser hassle.)
Sure, it's always less hassle doing what they want. Privacy doesn't come for free. It's easier to let the police search you in the street than it is to make them arrest you so that you can make a formal complaint.
So, just what it is _your_ method of dealing with this? While it is noble to talk about fighting the system, just how do you go about doing it yourself?
Forum shopping. Not that I would encourage you to break the law, but this method appears to work quite well. Get P.O. Box in state which issues DL's on the spot w/o fingerprinting. Write yourself a letter in very light pencil to this P.O. box. Get postmarked letter and erase the address. Replace address with address of local sports stadium or empty lot in pen complete with return address. This letter is often accepted as proof of address and residence. Use the rest of your documents as normal to obtain driver's license in the state of your choice.
Do you simply drive without a valid driver's license? I know some folks who do, of course, but it's not something that's "worth it" to me.
Some jurisdictions (D.C. is a good example) are such a joke it's not funny. An associate of mine literally MADE his own Italian Driver's license and turned it in, took an eye test, and walked out with a nice new D.C. license. Who the hell knows what an italian license looks like?
(This space reserved for your lecture about how I need to be prepared to go to jail to defend my right not to be thumbprinted, etc. On second thought, why don't you be the one to go to jail, and then you can let us know your experiences.)
I was once standing in line at a DMV where some schmuck was clearly trying to work his way past the "guardian" with bogus documents. They just shook their head, despite his repeated protests. No one has the time to muck around with cops in there. Even if they did, you are just getting a license with a bogus address, not a bogus name or anything. It's a pretty hard case to make. Point being that it does require effort, but it also pays off. (For seven years in the right jurisdictions). [...]
--Tim May
We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
-- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn@schloss.li
Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li> writes:
Do you simply drive without a valid driver's license? I know some folks who do, of course, but it's not something that's "worth it" to me.
Some jurisdictions (D.C. is a good example) are such a joke it's not funny. An associate of mine literally MADE his own Italian Driver's license and turned it in, took an eye test, and walked out with a nice new D.C. license.
In NYC a very high percentage of drivers don't have licences, have suspended licences, etc. Generally no one has the time to bother with them unless they want to nail them for something else. A couple of years ago we were involved in a minor car accident with a Chassidic Jew who tried to leave the scene of the accident. My wife chased him and stopped him. :-) The cops came and discovered that he had no papers (including no driver's licence, no insurance, etc). They gave him about $500 worth of tickets for driving without a licence, leaving the scene of an accident, etc (which I rather doubt he was planning to pay) and let him drive on (still without the licence). --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
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