Re: Public Schools
Phil Fraering <pgf@acadian.net> writes:
Without vouchers, you don't say anything about the intelligence of your test subjects; to a _very_ large degree, intelligence isn't genetic. Or
Bag of shit wrote:
That's the political correct thing to say, but do you have any scientific evidence to support this claim?
At 11:19 PM 9/25/96 -0700, Dale Thorn wrote:
People have argued for genetic disposition to certain things, and I think they are sometimes (most times?) confused [...] [Lots of meaningless hand waving hot air deleted]
The key basic test of the power of genes is studies of identical twins raised in different families. They have near identical IQ's, and a wide range of very similar behavior. Identical twins raised in different families are more similar than identical twins raised in the same family, probably because of deliberate attempts to differentiate themselves. Except in the case of extreme environmental pressures -- starvation, neglect, and the like, genes count for just about everything, and environment for almost nothing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd@echeque.com
James A. Donald wrote:
Phil Fraering <pgf@acadian.net> writes:
Without vouchers, you don't say anything about the intelligence of your test subjects; to a _very_ large degree, intelligence isn't genetic. Or
Bag of shit wrote:
That's the political correct thing to say, but do you have any scientific evidence to support this claim?
At 11:19 PM 9/25/96 -0700, Dale Thorn wrote:
People have argued for genetic disposition to certain things, and I think they are sometimes (most times?) confused [...] [Lots of meaningless hand waving hot air deleted]
The key basic test of the power of genes is studies of identical twins raised in different families. They have near identical IQ's, and a wide range of very similar behavior. Identical twins raised in different families are more similar than identical twins raised in the same family, probably because of deliberate attempts to differentiate themselves. Except in the case of extreme environmental pressures -- starvation, neglect, and the like, genes count for just about everything, and environment for almost nothing.
Please excuse my bluntness, but you obviously get your info out of a book, whereas I get mine from actual experience, which I can demonstrate quite well. Your identical twins example means nothing, as it's totally likely that: 1) Few identical twins separated early are really available for study and 2) Far fewer yet would have a substantially different environment awaiting them. This is one test you'd certainly have to do purposely (separating them, that is). Your testimonial of IQ's is equally dubious, excepting you should come up with a test that measures actual intelligence. The "wide range of similar behavior" puts the torch to your argument. If you want to argue that the twins would grow nearly always to the same height, I could allow that (but still argue the point), but behavior? Please!
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