crypto software/papers/docs CD -- is there any interest?
Forgive the somewhat commercial nature of this message, but I think it is well within the lines of the cypherpunks mission of getting code out to people. --- I'm considering the possibility of producing a CD (for distribution in North America only) of crypto source code, information/papers and binaries for common platforms. It would include the software available from the common ftp archives (soda.berkeley.edu, wimsey.bc.ca, ripem.msu.edu, ftp.dsi.unimi.it &c.) plus other assorted tidbits I've collected over the last few years. The cost would be somewhere around US$50 depending upon the demand (more CDs pressed translates into a lower price; there would be some equipment costs to offset). The CD doesn't exist yet; I'm just considering the possibility of putting this together. So, would anyone be interested in such a CD? -- Mark Henderson markh@wimsey.bc.ca (personal account) RIPEM MD5OfPublicKey: F1F5F0C3984CBEAF3889ADAFA2437433 ViaCrypt PGP Key Fingerprint: 21 F6 AF 2B 6A 8A 0B E1 A1 2A 2A 06 4A D5 92 46 cryptography archive maintainer -- anon ftp -- wimsey.bc.ca:/pub/crypto
Mark Henderson writes:
Forgive the somewhat commercial nature of this message, but I think it is well within the lines of the cypherpunks mission of getting code out to people. ... I'm considering the possibility of producing a CD (for distribution in North America only) of crypto source code, information/papers and binaries for common platforms.
It would include the software available from the common ftp archives (soda.berkeley.edu, wimsey.bc.ca, ripem.msu.edu, ftp.dsi.unimi.it &c.) plus other assorted tidbits I've collected over the last few years. The cost would be somewhere around US$50 depending upon the demand (more CDs pressed translates into a lower price; there would be some equipment costs to offset).
You'll have to be real careful here, as charging money means copyrights have to be more scrupulously watched than when sites just "informally" contain copyrighted material. (I'm not arguing for these laws, just noting them.) For example, essentially all of the crypto papers at the soda site are actually copyrighted papers from journals or books that were "contributed" by various folks (such as the not-seen-recently "Information Liberation Front"). Try publishing this, whether for "free" or for a fee, and watch what happens! So, you'll need to get releases. waivers, permissions, etc., on all this material. The official material, for sure. The article folks have written may also be problematic....recall the intense debate several years back about folk selling compilations of other people's stuff. (There are lots of issues here, which get debated over and over again in various forums. All I'm saying is that charging $50 for a compilation of articles, FAQs, scanned items, etc. is likely to trigger a lot of things. Just a heads up.) Devious note: You could avoid legal actions, injunctions, etc., by publishing anonymously. Makes getting assistance tougher. And makes payment much iffier. Of course, an ideal situation for "anonymous anonymous ftp" and digital cash, for network transfers. Physical disks will be harder to sell anonymously. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."
I just wanted to add another point about what Mark Henderson proposed:
I'm considering the possibility of producing a CD (for distribution in North America only) of crypto source code, information/papers and binaries for common platforms.
I guess I concentrated on the "information/papers" part of your proposal, as that's the only stuff that could really begin to need a CD-ROM. (I think Bruce Schneier's source code diskettes fill less than 3 MB, and contain documented, tested code.) Can "Mosaic/WWW"-compliant CDs be made? (I'm showing my ignorance of Mosaic and WWW here, as I have not yet made the jump into either.) A documentation system that allows code to be browsed, run, etc., sort of a hypertect version of Schneier, could be quite useful. (I use Mathematica, from Wolfram, and the popular thing is for books to be written as Mathematica Notebooks, complete with executable code in the Notebooks. The code version is either included in a diskette with the book or is ftp-able from a site. Schneier decided to do neither of these, for reasons having to do with his publisher fearing export of the book would not be allowed if a diskette was included. The reason an ftp site was not included is less clear. Maybe it had to do with making money from the sale of the diskettes.) --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."
I guess I concentrated on the "information/papers" part of your proposal, as that's the only stuff that could really begin to need a CD-ROM. (I think Bruce Schneier's source code diskettes fill less than 3 MB, and contain documented, tested code.)
Where can Bruce's code be found? I looked on the Dr. Dobbs FTP site, but it was nowhere to be found... :(
Where can Bruce's code be found? I looked on the Dr. Dobbs FTP site, but it was nowhere to be found... :(
I snagged a copy of Bruce's Blowfish code from his sci.crypt posting and put it in ftp:csn.org//mpj/I_will_not_export/crypto_???????/blowfish/blowfish (see ftp:csn.org//mpj/README.MPJ for the ??????? and export warning). ___________________________________________________________ |\ /| | | | | \/ |o| | Michael Paul Johnson Colorado Catacombs BBS 303-938-9654 | | | | / _ | mpj@csn.org ftp csn.org \mpj\README.MPJ for access info.| | |||/ /_\ |aka mpj@netcom.com mpjohnso@nyx.cs.du.edu mikej@exabyte.com| | |||\ ( | m.p.johnson@ieee.org CIS 71331,2332 VPGP key by finger | | ||| \ \_/ |___________________________________________________________|
Ed Carp writes:
I guess I concentrated on the "information/papers" part of your proposal, as that's the only stuff that could really begin to need a CD-ROM. (I think Bruce Schneier's source code diskettes fill less than 3 MB, and contain documented, tested code.)
Where can Bruce's code be found? I looked on the Dr. Dobbs FTP site, but it was nowhere to be found... :(
The back of his book contains ordering instructions. Diskettes are ordered direct from his company, Counterpane Systems. $30 for the 2-disk set, $90 for a 2-year subscription. There is no ftp site, for reasons I can only speculate on. Some wild guesses: 1. Schneier wanted to make money on the diskettes. He mentioned wanting to distribute the diskettes with the book, for a higher price, but was not able to. (Export issues feared.) 2. An ftp site would allow easy access to anyone in the world, even with the nonsensical "Yes, I am a U.S. citizen" screens. Perhaps the NSA folks urged him not to go this route. (Yes, the diskettes can similarly be ordered. Only U.S. and Canadia delivery sites are accepted. Easy to bypass. Mail forwarding services routinely do this.) Inasmuch as his code has been vetted by bieng discussed in his very popular book, "competitors" who offer their own collections, a la Mr. Harvey, may find it a tough sell. And, as I said in an earlier message, a lot of releases and waivers will have to be gotten. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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