Netscape closes up 1 3/8 today!
In article <DF84AJ.41K@sgi.sgi.com>, carolann@censored.org (Censored Girls Anonymous) writes:
Lookit that! 416 trades and 11 times there was more buying pressure than selling pressure..
The rumors of bug fix are outweighing the facts of the crack!
I am totally amazed! But think company insiders are probably supporting the stock. Holding up better than ascii armor, it is.
I think it probably has more to do with the fact that the name "Netscape" has been on the front page of every major newspaper in the US. I guess bad press is better than no press at all. And the press hasn't even been that bad. -- Sure we spend a lot of money, but that doesn't mean | Tom Weinstein we *do* anything. -- Washington DC motto | tomw@engr.sgi.com
The only bad publicity is no publicity.
In article <DF84AJ.41K@sgi.sgi.com>, carolann@censored.org (Censored Girls Anonymous) writes:
Lookit that! 416 trades and 11 times there was more buying pressure than selling pressure..
The rumors of bug fix are outweighing the facts of the crack!
I am totally amazed! But think company insiders are probably supporting the stock. Holding up better than ascii armor, it is.
I think it probably has more to do with the fact that the name "Netscape" has been on the front page of every major newspaper in the US. I guess bad press is better than no press at all. And the press hasn't even been that bad.
-- Sure we spend a lot of money, but that doesn't mean | Tom Weinstein we *do* anything. -- Washington DC motto | tomw@engr.sgi.com
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I am totally amazed! But think company insiders are probably supporting the stock. Holding up better than ascii armor, it is.
I think it probably has more to do with the fact that the name "Netscape" has been on the front page of every major newspaper in the US. I guess bad press is better than no press at all. And the press hasn't even been that bad.
Yeah. Thats the way it works sometimes. I remember back when that housewife from minnasota launched her media campaign to have "Married With Children" taken off the air. All it did was make the show a hundred times more popular and extend its life for years after it probably would have been canceled on its own. And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support, I really want to hurt Netscape badly. Sigh. Christopher
And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support, I really want to hurt Netscape badly.
Sigh.
Anyone got a pointer to this announcement? Damn! Just when I was starting to like them ... -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net
Jeff Simmons writes:
And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support, I really want to hurt Netscape badly. Sigh. Anyone got a pointer to this announcement? Damn! Just when I was starting to like them ...
Hmm, I was also thinking good about responsiveness on the security issue (though the way they behave regarding html extensions is still not fair imo, but that's another debate), and I have modified my netscape security page accordingly, but, dropping Linux as the list of UNIX supported host is certainly not a good thing at all, I urge/pray/suggest... that listening Netscape folks here try to put it back, PLEASE (It is not that difficult to compile under linux is it ?) (source : http://www.netscape.com/comprod/products/navigator/version_2.0/datasheet.htm... [...] SUPPORTED PLATFORMS [...] UNIX: Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha (OSF/1 2.0) Hewlett-Packard 700-series (HP-UX 9.03) IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2 Silicon Graphics (IRIX 5.2) Sun SPARC (Solaris 2.4, SunOS 4.1.3) 386/486/Pentium (BSDI) ) Or maybe it is just a missing item in the list ? [i hope!] dl -- Laurent Demailly * http://hplyot.obspm.fr/~dl/ * Linux|PGP|Gnu|Tcl|... Freedom Prime#1: cent cinq mille cent cinq milliards cent cinq mille cent soixante sept Saddam Hussein Qaddafi [Hello to all my fans in domestic surveillance] genetic Cocaine radar Ortega
In article <199509212125.RAA00188@hoopsnake.cjs.net>, cjs@netcom.com (Christopher J. Shaulis) writes:
And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support, I really want to hurt Netscape badly.
This is news to me. We have engineers spending valuable time keeping our linux port running. If you tell me where you saw this, I will look into it. --Jeff -- Jeff Weinstein - Electronic Munitions Specialist Netscape Communication Corporation jsw@netscape.com - http://home.netscape.com/people/jsw Any opinions expressed above are mine.
In article <199509212125.RAA00188@hoopsnake.cjs.net>, cjs@netcom.com (Christopher J. Shaulis) writes:
And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support, I really want to hurt Netscape badly.
This is news to me. We have engineers spending valuable time keeping our linux port running. If you tell me where you saw this, I will look into it.
--Jeff
I, and many other Linux users that I know, have repeatedly contacted Netscape offering to pay for a Linux version of Navigator - we have usually been either 'brushed off' or completely ignored. And now there is no mention of a Linux port of v2.0 - not surprising that this 'rumor' is running around. I think a statement by you or someone else at Netscape supporting a Linux version would go a long way in reassuring the Linux community, even if it's something that is going to take a while. And you might want to drop by the usenet comp.os.linux.* hierarchy - they're already working on ways to use your html extensions to design web pages that can't be read by Navigator ... -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@goblin.punk.net
And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support,
I have no current plans to alter our treatment of Linux. It is not now, nor has it ever been, a supported platform. We do build for it, and some people are happy about that. I have not constructed a business case which would cause Netscape to begin support for Linux versions of the Navigator. Right now, I'm not sure that making a point of this would do what you want. Either of the two above paragraphs could be changed with time. -- Tom Paquin +1(415)528-2607 fax +1(415)528-4122 Netscape Communications 501 E Middlefield Mt View, CA 94043 USA PS. I think that you are all doing a really great job!
And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support,
I have no current plans to alter our treatment of Linux. It is not now, nor has it ever been, a supported platform. We do build for it, and some people are happy about that.
I have not constructed a business case which would cause Netscape to begin support for Linux versions of the Navigator. Right now, I'm not sure that making a point of this would do what you want.
I'll say some people are happy about it. You just recently turned down an order for 230 copies of the netscape navigator for Linux, and as you folks aren't making any money, you can only wonder why. You have also turned numerous other attempts by varionus people to buy both quantities of navigaors and server software for Linux. It seems to me that you folks are going out of your way to deny the fact that the Linux market exists. I think that its because you are embarassed that all these people with a $20 operating system are throwing money at you while all the folks with $10K operating systems aren't talking to you at all. While you may WANT to have all your sales be for OSF/1 machines or solaris, but refusing to support Linux and ignoring the demand for your products by the Linux community just because you don't think it would sound as impressive, is actually quite childish and doesn't make any financial sense. Christopher
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You have also turned numerous other attempts by varionus people to buy both quantities of navigaors and server software for Linux.
It seems to me that you folks are going out of your way to deny the fact that the Linux market exists. I think that its because you are embarassed that all these people with a $20 operating system are throwing money at you while all the folks with $10K operating systems aren't talking to you at all.
While you may WANT to have all your sales be for OSF/1 machines or solaris, but refusing to support Linux and ignoring the demand for your products by the Linux community just because you don't think it would sound as impressive, is actually quite childish and doesn't make any financial sense.
Christopher
You tell'em Christopher! I have turned on quite a few of my friends to Linux. Some are Engineers and Programmers in businesses that would love to add Netscape navigator and server. Hell, I would too. Screw 'em. If they want to be the defacto standard for *some* OS's but not all, someone else will come along and fill in the gap. Besides, they already made the point that they don't want to make money so why change the status quo. All the more reason to show the weaknesses of the product before others get sucked in. I'll stick to TkWWW and Lynx thank you. - -- =====================PGP Encrypted Mail Preferred======================== PGP Public Keys: 1024/BEB3ED71 & 2047/D9E1F2E9 on request. As soon as any man says of the affairs of the state " What does it matter to me? " the state may be given up for lost. J.J.Rousseau - The Social Contract GAT/E/O d++@>- H--- s: a29 C+++$ UL++++($) P+>+++ L++>++++ E W+++ N++ K- w---- O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+++ t 5+ X R* tv b++ DI++ D++ G++ e h+ r y++ [Geek Code v3.0] a.k.a [ root@magus.dgsys.com / vamagus@delphi.com] ========================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAgUBMGXXKLbmxeO+s+1xAQF7BwP9GrZe0+DULZegVjPJB7iiLagq8dnY3QLs J26v2pARiZyyLBZgpBgzenXv8I0nwAL4UnDREWnOOunC3RdM0o5+ROM34tSnhdfM 4T4xEUXHp2CSI98VAkhSqKgnWZEACSeDAcx2gT7jGneAhRPO/VCQkZfz3SquRiHO 4RumiNsnInA= =TuK+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support,
I have no current plans to alter our treatment of Linux. It is not now, nor has it ever been, a supported platform. We do build for it, and some people are happy about that.
Does this mean that a Linux version of Netscape will no longer be available, or that it *will* be available but unsupported?
I have not constructed a business case which would cause Netscape to begin support for Linux versions of the Navigator. Right now, I'm not sure that making a point of this would do what you want.
That all depends on what you mean by "support". If you mean "we will no longer make Netscape available for the Linux platform", that's not support. If you mean "we will no longer respond to bug reports for Netscape on this platform" then that's discontinuing support. Please be more specific in your postings? As a project manager and developer, I have constructed many a business case for the development and/or support for products - such a case could easily be made for Linux support for Netscape, irrespective of what you mean by "support". - -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp@linux.org, ecarp@netcom.com 214/993-3935 voicemail/pager Finger ecarp@netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744@anon.penet.fi Q. What's the trouble with writing an MS-DOS program to emulate Clinton? A. Figuring out what to do with the other 639K of memory. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMGW6JSS9AwzY9LDxAQElggP9Gy4h5OYkfQqtE0yi4K8rng1C3G/vgr0S EOfUdFaiw8pewcjgxe4ZqtDyxAeeRGgEYjmAQLA5739xjExCGL45O4OnYMopGDzd Sfmi557I/qJib1utfE51wkUjqyxutTceb4UDUmUS0TOs/kMCf6DXTvNePRLxVtm4 rW1C9BfDClk= =kj39 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
In article <199509242006.PAA02258@khijol>, khijol!erc@uunet.uu.net (Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin]) writes:
And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support,
I have no current plans to alter our treatment of Linux. It is not now, nor has it ever been, a supported platform. We do build for it, and some people are happy about that.
Does this mean that a Linux version of Netscape will no longer be available, or that it *will* be available but unsupported?
It will be available as it has been in the past, which means unsupported. That means that if you have a bug, and you try to call us for help, we will not provide it.
I have not constructed a business case which would cause Netscape to begin support for Linux versions of the Navigator. Right now, I'm not sure that making a point of this would do what you want.
That all depends on what you mean by "support". If you mean "we will no longer make Netscape available for the Linux platform", that's not support. If you mean "we will no longer respond to bug reports for Netscape on this platform" then that's discontinuing support.
We have never officially responded to bug reports on Linux. We do not take money for it for just this reason. This does not mean that we will not fix bugs that are reported via our feedback page. It doesn't mean we will fix them either... --Jeff -- Jeff Weinstein - Electronic Munitions Specialist Netscape Communication Corporation jsw@netscape.com - http://home.netscape.com/people/jsw Any opinions expressed above are mine.
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In article <199509242006.PAA02258@khijol>, khijol!erc@uunet.uu.net (Ed Carp [khijol SysAdmin]) writes:
And the sad part is that now that they have announced that they are dropping their unofficial Linux support,
I have no current plans to alter our treatment of Linux. It is not now, nor has it ever been, a supported platform. We do build for it, and some people are happy about that.
Does this mean that a Linux version of Netscape will no longer be available, or that it *will* be available but unsupported?
It will be available as it has been in the past, which means unsupported. That means that if you have a bug, and you try to call us for help, we will not provide it.
As much as this might put me ad odds with certain parts of the CP community, this seems quite reasonable to me. After all, why should someone provide support for a platform which is not generating revenue?
I have not constructed a business case which would cause Netscape to begin support for Linux versions of the Navigator. Right now, I'm not sure that making a point of this would do what you want.
That all depends on what you mean by "support". If you mean "we will no longer make Netscape available for the Linux platform", that's not support. If you mean "we will no longer respond to bug reports for Netscape on this platform" then that's discontinuing support.
We have never officially responded to bug reports on Linux. We do not take money for it for just this reason. This does not mean that we will not fix bugs that are reported via our feedback page. It doesn't mean we will fix them either...
Understood. Thanks for the clarification :) - -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp@linux.org, ecarp@netcom.com 214/993-3935 voicemail/pager Finger ecarp@netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744@anon.penet.fi Q. What's the trouble with writing an MS-DOS program to emulate Clinton? A. Figuring out what to do with the other 639K of memory. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMGZWZCS9AwzY9LDxAQEacgQAmiibHw4Wn4JAudLHJ66dQDJhDoUMjzsR Oh4cd7aYHL4PkSgb7INfS+mMQZ6/VYu7VTHVJchNAU5DxO0A7tljrbMnt+QWWjSx 5pEU0t5jRIScLhBdANSf24YfmBpc929gfUOkSldm0OopsAT9kurPY8qg1Yd/aVjs XB7m9h/1BxE= =wO2X -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
khijol!erc@uunet.uu.net said:
As much as this might put me ad odds with certain parts of the CP community, this seems quite reasonable to me. After all, why should someone provide support for a platform which is not generating revenue?
I don't think any of us disagree with that. I think what we disagree about is getting Netscape to accept our revenue. :-) I've tried calling and emailing to buy a copy of Linux, and the answer was always, "It's not available for Linux." Despite what's on their FTP server. I mostly want the stronger crypto in the US only version, but Netscape has said they are trying to make that available for FTP, so I can wait. I also want Java, but no one has that yet, and they 2.0 will probably be available for Linux, so I can wait for that too.
I've been lurking for a week or two, but I wanted to say something about this:
I think it probably has more to do with the fact that the name "Netscape" has been on the front page of every major newspaper in the US. I guess bad press is better than no press at all. And the press hasn't even been that bad.
And you have to take into account that a good chunk of the population has no clue about how either encryption (well, basic math for a good chunk :/ ) or software works. Just heard something on the radio (Niel Bortz, if you're curious) about how California public schools have started giving credit for wrong answers on MATH tests. So the students don't _feel bad_ about being wrong. I want to trust my life to an airplane designed by someone who got the right answers, not to someone who has artificially induced high self-esteem. The casual Joe Sixpack at most may now that if Microsloth Doesn'tWorks has a problem he goes out 9 months later and shells out more $$$ for the next buggy release. Start mentioning 128-bit IDEA, entropy, or pseudo-anything and their eyes may just glaze over. With the state of public education, it'll be amazing if Joe Sixpack can figure out that he has to plug in his computer first; nevermind understand why trusting his financial secrets to a secret "proprietary" encryption scheme that the gubument has the back door to is a bad idea. Sorry, I'll end my ranting now. --- Fletch __`'/| fletch@ain.bls.com "Lisa, in this house we obey the \ o.O' ______ 404 713-0414(w) Laws of Thermodynamics!" H. Simpson =(___)= -| Ack. | 404 315-7264(h) PGP Print: 8D8736A8FC59B2E6 8E675B341E378E43 U ------
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