At 11:40 PM 1/17/96, Kurt Buff (Volt Comp) wrote:

If you're going to work with hardware to get really random numbers, why not go to the back of any of several PC-type magazines, and order the radiation detector board that someone is hawking? Can't really do any better than that, can you? Counting cosmic ray hits and noting their time differentials ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ should be just what the doctor ordered, right?

Almost all of the counts in simple radiation detectors are from earthly sources, not from cosmic rays. For Geiger tube counters (not very common these days), the main counts are for gamma rays and for beta particles (if a beta window is included). For solid-state detectors, most of the counts are still betas and gammas, even though solid-state detectors (e.g., PIN diodes) are certainly _capable_ of detecting alpha particles. The reason is that alphas are very nonpenetrating, so alpha detectors for intentional use must have extremley thin (and hence fragile and expensive) windows or protective layers. Basically, it makes little sense to count alphas when a rough radioactivity measurement is sought, as with cheap detectors. Solid state detectors specially set up with alpha sources in proximity to the detector are possible, but are a specialty item. RNGs based on thermal noise and natural radioactivity have been discussed on our list at least a dozen times (multiple posts each time), so I suggest further research be done there. --Tim May We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."