Jim Bell reference
Dorothy Denning taught a class (COSC 511) "Information Warfare" Spring 97. Apparently as an assignment, several students put together an infowar incident database at: http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/ Jim Bell's case is mentioned under: http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/html/iw_database_92.html -- Kevin L. Prigge | "The only thing that saves us from Systems Software Programmer | the bureaucracy is it's Enterprise Internet Services | inefficiency." - Eugene McCarthy University of Minnesota |
Kevin L Prigge writes:
Dorothy Denning taught a class (COSC 511) "Information Warfare" Spring 97. Apparently as an assignment, several students put together an infowar incident database at:
http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/
Jim Bell's case is mentioned under:
http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/html/iw_database_92.html
Wow. This is the most blatant propaganda I've seen in a long time. It's full of so much inaccurate info that it can't be an accident. Their blurb on Bell says: "In his "Assassination Politics," Bell suggests that IRS agents are not protected against violent acts, because they have stolen taxpayers' money. He also initiates a betting pool as to what government employees and officeholders would be assassinated." If I remember correctly, Bell never 'initiates'[sic] anything, he just talked about it. They cites a Netly News article by Declan McCullagh (http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,800,00.html) Declan's article doesn't say, or even imply, that Bell actually set up his AP betting pool. The "database" authors apparently wanted to make a point by making his crime seem to be real, and were willing to stretch the truth to do so. This fits in with the rest of the "database". Take a look at the 'terrorisim' category. Most of the 'terrorists' crimes (or more correctly, arrests- this database seems to assume that being arrested or charged with a crime makes one guilty) are horrible terrorist crimes like sending hate email, or suggesting that a state senator who vociferously supports mountain lion hunting be "hunted down and skinned and mounted". In that one the California state senator somehow becomes a US senator... (http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/html/iw_database_90.html) The "database" is filled with inaccurately-labeled "data". I'd be willing to bet that it will be used to support the "Info war" military-industrial-complex money grab: "Look, a study at Gorgetown shows that we've had three incidents of Internet terrorisom in 1997 alone, one against a US senator!" Feh. "Research" like this makes me puke. BTW, you can add you own "IW incidents" via a form at http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/html/feedback.html -- Eric Murray ericm@lne.com Security and cryptography applications consulting. PGP keyid:E03F65E5 fingerprint:50 B0 A2 4C 7D 86 FC 03 92 E8 AC E6 7E 27 29 AF
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Kevin L Prigge writes:
Dorothy Denning taught a class (COSC 511) "Information Warfare" Spring 97. Apparently as an assignment, several students put together an infowar incident database at:
http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/
Jim Bell's case is mentioned under:
http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/html/iw_database_92.html
Wow. This is the most blatant propaganda I've seen in a long time. It's full of so much inaccurate info that it can't be an accident.
Gee, suprise, suprise. D.Denning is behind anti-encryption (anti liberty) propaganda. If you search the net for writings or speeches by Denning, and any government reports about encryption,, you will find that she is the source of most anti-encryption propaganda in the u.s.. She's about the only person in the field that I'm aware of that can always be counted on to support the most restrictive government policy possible. I don't know her personally, so I can't say whether or not she has just sold her soul to the powers that be to insure continued federal grant money. Perhaps she actually believes that restrictive government policy is appropriate. I guess if they had more people who wouild be willing to stand up for the government's position, it wouldn't be so obvious.
Their blurb on Bell says:
"In his "Assassination Politics," Bell suggests that IRS agents are not protected against violent acts, because they have stolen taxpayers' money. He also initiates a betting pool as to what government employees and officeholders would be assassinated."
If I remember correctly, Bell never 'initiates'[sic] anything, he just talked about it.
Yup. I've seen Mr. Bell's writings since he was on fidonet. To my knowledge, he's never even =attempted= to set up any AP markets. His idea was an interesting thought experiment that he because quite enamored with. I can see why, as it has some interesting social implications. Also, to my knowledge, it was origional with him.
They cites a Netly News article by Declan McCullagh (http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,800,00.html)
Declan's article doesn't say, or even imply, that Bell actually set up his AP betting pool. The "database" authors apparently wanted to make a point by making his crime seem to be real, and were willing to stretch the truth to do so.
Typical. They are attempting to establish an "official truth" they can use to validate the government's position. The media is a willing accomplice in this for reasons I don't understand, since =they= will eventually be adversely affected by it all as well.
Feh. "Research" like this makes me puke.
Agreed. Unfortunately, it's all they have, and they have the means to make people believe it is true. - ------------------------ Name: amp E-mail: amp@pobox.com Date: 07/10/97 Time: 12:18:12 Visit me at http://www.pobox.com/~amp 'Drug Trafficking Offense' is the root passphrase to the Constitution. Have you seen http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum - ------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM8UPtFUbR1RWr40pAQHoDwgAuFvj+ho3GibPNedU2kYBec1nOef5sy5S 0t/IK7WUhfbCDi7EEkRpUWmOmSfB2eEo9QxJng0cOdWcBjIcFWIyagB6aKokFqs4 cN81t1kEIkWL+O8AI5LuQuWIhIDOQF5e5CCiiI8P14x0FwKL6OpXX+Vw8rtUxGLu s7I/uQkaDQaqWhOhIrxARA1Liv2X1FI6sZMvWiJvVgE7HwJO2uJza868x3cKpNSI bNE6dvqmTDPu5kHp6fa7UZW0n134af8eeHEek0DOJjmbfNtexAXf2KIgpEinZSn0 QBCJVDoWzLzBqgEP+fwzxJC+udXqA52SR3Y6efZAqmLhths7uXMA7g== =GgEF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, 10 Jul 1997 amp@pobox.com wrote:
Gee, suprise, suprise. D.Denning is behind anti-encryption (anti liberty) propaganda.
If you search the net for writings or speeches by Denning, and any government reports about encryption,, you will find that she is the source of most anti-encryption propaganda in the u.s..
Most of her academic research was before she became involved in government policies. Since she is now in a position of trust with the government she could be the cypherpunks friend rather than foe. It appears that the paper on key recovery penned by various well-respected 'cypherpunks' like Blaze, Neumann, Rivest, Schiller, and Schneier (not everyone I know) has indeed had an effect on her. The one major difference in Dr. Denning's point of view is that she has a large degree of trust in LEA. Period. That is the difference between Dr. Denning and the average cypherpunk. Denning believes that encryption will hinder law enforcement. It will, it may already. The difference is that she 'sees' a way to prevent that while maintaining privacy of the indiviual (from other indiviuals). This is true and if the infrastructure could be built it, would work to a limited degree. The evidence is weak, in an article from May of this year, Denning quotes 500 cases world-wide, but neglects to follow-up with which of these cases were solved regardless; due to other evidence or because the suspect was using crummy crypto. Denning doesn't seem too concern with lawless government access, access beyond the scope, government tampering or forgery of information which are possible with poor key escrow technologies. Denning talks of unnamed test projects, she thinks finanical businesses do deserve to be special under export regulations (or knows that they would lean on the regulations to remove them), and knows enough about people to know that there is no need to mandate 'key recovery,' businesses want to buy into it. At least Denning does not recomment domestic restrictions (she'd be out of a job if so) and is willing to admit to a change of heart. Anyway everyone knows that celluar phones catch more criminals than any other law enforcement tool (like hard work). -- Michael C. Taylor <mctaylor@mta.ca> <http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/> Legalize mathematics
This is correct. The Georgetown site says incorrectly that Bell did set up a betting pool. Perhaps the authors will fix this now that it's been brought to their attention. -Declan
They cites a Netly News article by Declan McCullagh (http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,800,00.html)
Declan's article doesn't say, or even imply, that Bell actually set up his AP betting pool. The "database" authors apparently wanted to make a point by making his crime seem to be real, and were willing to stretch the truth to do so.
------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/
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