Re: forged cancels (Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download)
Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@math.uiuc.edu> writes:
Yes, there are lots of folks who forge cancels for "inappropriate cross- posts" in the "big 8".
Not accepted ones. They're treated as rogues, and asked to stop it, and you know it.
Net.Scum like Chris Lewis, Jan Isley, Tim Brown, Bob Curtis, etc are treated as rogues by me and my friends and told to stop by me and my friends - and if they don't stop, we usually get their plugs pulled. Tim Skirvin defended net-abuse by Jan Isley, just as he defends the "UDP" against UUNet.
Please be advised that all of Tim Skirvin's FAQs are full of lies (except for the parts plagiarized from David Stodolsky :-).
Umm, no.
Examples of lies in Tim Skirvin's Magnum Opus, the "Cancel FAQ" (what else): 1. ]What is a Cancelbot? ] ] A Cancelbot is a program that searches for messages matching a ]certain pattern and sends out cancels for them all. ] ] ]Sounds cool. Where do I get one? ] ] If you have to ask, you don't get one. ] ] ]What? Why not? My cancelbot has been freely available for over 18 months. I've pointed this out repeatedly to Tim Skirvin who continues to provide an answer to a truly frequently asked question that reflects Skirvin's view of what the reality should be, rather than the reality. 2. ]What is Dave the Resurrector? ] ] After a particularly obnoxious run of cancels from ixc.net, ]Chris Lewis decided that it was time to write a program to repost stuff ]that was cancelled on news.admin.net-abuse.misc. The Resurrector, named ]Dave, was the result. ] ] The effect of this is that cancels to news.admin.net-abuse.misc ]are not effective unless Chris says so. It has been pointed out many times that Chris Lewis does NOT repost cancelled articles when he doesn't like the authors, such as myself. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@math.uiuc.edu> writes:
Not accepted ones. They're treated as rogues, and asked to stop it, and you know it.
Net.Scum like [...] Tim Brown,
Tim Brown is not an accepted canceler. [...]
Examples of lies in Tim Skirvin's Magnum Opus, the "Cancel FAQ" (what else):
[...]
]Sounds cool. Where do I get one? ] ] If you have to ask, you don't get one.
[...]
My cancelbot has been freely available for over 18 months.
And if thay can't find it thay have to ask therefore thay don't get one. There are freely advalable alt.* newsgroup creation scripts, and still peaple don't know how to post cancels. - -- Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia see the url in my header. Never trust a country with more peaple then sheep. ex-net.scum and proud You Say To People "Throw Off Your Chains" And They Make New Chains For Themselves? --Terry Pratchett -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+qYSaQK0ynCmdStAQHQ+wP/XyMjFJs4tHq2qmwU9Ruve8vMdD574k2M VXAxct9gwyJoP6w1vcmLJ8FnJ+IhFQPuFIP336QqhCRX+Uac7zeJ9akkTVrSE0J+ U8NSgXTjxwEIeOs9+lbiOwMkcBORXhsmUrPlyGkC8kyFzkzMun+4WtwwmDFsDdw4 1yjqDo5r/qk= =Z0Lr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
? the Platypus {aka David Formosa} <dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au> writes:
On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
Tim Skirvin <tskirvin@math.uiuc.edu> writes:
Not accepted ones. They're treated as rogues, and asked to stop it, and you know it.
Net.Scum like [...] Tim Brown,
Tim Brown is not an accepted canceler.
As challenged, I've listed 3 dozen "spam cancellers" caught slipping cancels forged for "non-spam" among their "spam cancels". There are at least twice as many more listed in the Net.Scum database. For some reason you chose to snip all of them and to pick on Tim Brown, perhaps because he's a self- described schizophrenic. What difference does it make whether Tim Skirvin considers someone an "accepted" or "rogue" canceller? Tim Brown forged hundreds of cancels between october 96 and July 97. Most of these cancels were for "spam" (stuff posted lots of times; usually ads). A substantial minority of Tim's cancels were for singly-posted articles whose contents he didn't like, posted by his flame war opponents. Many examples can be found at his Net.Scum page: http://www.netscum.net/brownt0.html . Tim Brown apparently stopped forging cancels soon after I stepped lightly on his dick. I don't know whether there was a connection. Tim Brown's cancels lacked the "Sender:" header. For this reason they were not processed at sites running INN with the paranoid settings, but were accepted at a lot of sites still. The whining by the Cabal that Tim Brown is not an "accepted" cancel-forger, as opposed to "accepted" cancel-forgers like Pedophile Chris Lewis and John E. Milburn is irrelevant, and your Cabal itself is irrelevant, isolated, impotent, and ignored. Guy Macon is another fine example of a "spam canceller": Steve Boursy and Dr. Fomin caught him forging cancels for artciles on soc.religion.quaker that were not "spam" by any definition, but which Guy considered to be "off-topic", like the thread about leprosy. Macon recently posted an announcement on soc.religion.quaker calling himself "the official spam canceller" of s.c.r and claiming to have forged two more cancels. The way to stop these forgers is to ignore their cancels. Your distinction of who's "accepted" and who's not "accepted" by you is irrelevant to their ability to censor others. You haven't succeeded in stopiing Guy Macon, Ehud Gavron, David Richards, and a host of others for months, demonstrating the utter irrelevance of your "accepted cancel-forger" label.
Examples of lies in Tim Skirvin's Magnum Opus, the "Cancel FAQ" (what else)
[How to get a cancelbot]
]Sounds cool. Where do I get one? ] ] If you have to ask, you don't get one.
[...]
My cancelbot has been freely available for over 18 months.
And if thay can't find it thay have to ask therefore thay don't get one. There are freely advalable alt.* newsgroup creation scripts, and still peaple don't know how to post cancels.
"How do I get a cancelbot" is indeed a frequently asked question, and whenever I see it posted, I e-mail the poster a copy of cbcb's source code. Tim Skirvin is under no obligation to disseminate the information that he feels shouldn't be publicly available ("security through obscurity"). However since he chooses to present himself as the author of the "official" FAQ on usenet Cancels (actually, substantually plagiarized from the Cancel FAQ that David Stodolsky used to post), a more honest way to deal with the questions he doesn't want to answer would be to either omit the question altogether, or to state that he doesn't want to answer the question. I e-mailed Skirvin repeatedly pointing out that his answer is factually incorrect, yet he presists in presenting his view of what things should be rather than what they are. I was asked to provide examples of lies of Tim Skirvin's FAQs. This was just one of several such examples. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
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