What's the story with the tiger.team@tigerteam.org bounces? I've been getting quite a few of these from time to time, once when sending a message Sterndark. In this case this message wasn't addressed to cypherpunks@toad.com, and it was a private message to Adam Back aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk... I couldn't do a traceroute to dcs.ex.ac.uk since it's an unknown host to my system... So perhaps, given the hit below, this is by uucp, but even so, should the bounced message come from tigerteam?? Is tigerteam somehow snarfing up messages they shouldn't? Even if they're a uucp gateway to England, shouldn't the bounce come from dcs.ex.ac.uk and not from tigerteam/netcom??? % whois shows this for them: whois tigerteam.org Tiger Team Buddhist Information Network (TIGERTEAM-DOM) 347 Warwick Suite #101 Oakland, CA 94610 Domain Name: TIGERTEAM.ORG Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Macko, Jeffrey (JM67) jmacko@TIGERTEAM.ORG (510) 268-1012 Record last updated on 29-Mar-94. Record created on 10-Sep-93. Domain servers in listed order: UUCPNS1.NETCOM.COM 163.179.3.221 UUCPNS2.NETCOM.COM 163.179.3.222 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. Looking at the headers for the bounced message I see:

From postmaster@tigerteam.org Fri Aug 9 07:52:01 1996 Return-Path: postmaster@tigerteam.org Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp12.netcom.com [163.179.3.12]) by ian.dor sai.org (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA09408 for <sunder@dorsai.dorsai.org>; Fri , 9 Aug 1996 07:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tigerteam.org by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id EAA15108; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 04:42:10 -0700 Received: by tigerteam.org (wcGATE v4) id 37297W Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:33:39 GMT From: postmaster@tigerteam.org (Postmaster) Subject: Unknown address Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:54:32 GMT Message-Id: <96080903333941546@tigerteam.org> Organization: Tiger Team Info Net: Modem (510) 523-5300 To: sunder@dorsai.dorsai.org Status: RO X-Status:

The user this message was addressed to does not exist at this site. Please verify the name and domain in the original message that follows. Message was addressed to: TIGER.TEAM@tigerteam.org ========================================================================== + ^ + | Ray Arachelian |FL| KAOS KERAUNOS KYBERNETOS |==/|\== \|/ |sunder@dorsai.org|UL|__Nothing_is_true,_all_is_permitted!_|=/\|/\= <--+-->| --------------- |CG|What part of 'Congress shall make no |=\/|\/= /|\ | Just Say "No" to|KA|law abridging the freedom of speech' |==\|/== + v + | Janet Reno & GAK|AK| do you not understand? |======= ===================http://www.dorsai.org/~sunder/========================= Key Escrow Laws are the mating calls of those who'd abuse your privacy! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:54:32 GMT From: Postmaster <postmaster@tigerteam.org> To: sunder@dorsai.dorsai.org Subject: Unknown address The user this message was addressed to does not exist at this site. Please verify the name and domain in the original message that follows. Message was addressed to: TIGER.TEAM@tigerteam.org ----- Original Message follows ----- From: Ray Arachelian <sunder@dorsai.dorsai.org> To: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:06:45 -0400 (edt) Subject: Re: crypto CD source On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Adam Back wrote:

Cypherpunks archive?

http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/

The earlier archives were at www.hks.net, try mailing cactus@hks.net.

I've a bunch of .gz files for the filtered cypherpunks list I run, they should contain stuff as far back as last year. How would I get these to ya? ========================================================================== + ^ + | Ray Arachelian |FL| KAOS KERAUNOS KYBERNETOS |==/|\== \|/ |sunder@dorsai.org|UL|__Nothing_is_true,_all_is_permitted!_|=/\|/\= <--+-->| --------------- |CG|What part of 'Congress shall make no |=\/|\/= /|\ | Just Say "No" to|KA|law abridging the freedom of speech' |==\|/== + v + | Janet Reno & GAK|AK| do you not understand? |======= ===================http://www.dorsai.org/~sunder/========================= Key Escrow Laws are the mating calls of those who'd abuse your privacy!