Administrivia: Questions about the List
Cypherdenizens, Sorry to bother the List, but two things have come up that I need some feedback on. Two items: 1. Is the list sending out messages in a defective (slow) way, or is my service (Netcom) bouncing a lot of mail, thus causing these delays as toad attempts resends? 2. I'm getting a lot of error messages from Julf's site, saying my messages cannot be delivered to "an2757938" and the like. This used to be a problem, but was fixed by Eric Hughes a year or so ago. It appears to be back again. Are others seeing this, too? First, I seem to be having delays in Cypherpunks mail of about 1-2 days on about 5-10% of all messages. This shows up as me not seeing messages others are already responding to (because 90-95% of all messages are getting to me in the usual prompt way). I especially notice this, of course, with my own messages. (I can't test whether other mail is being delayed, because I'm no longer on Extropians and so Cypherpunks accounts for 95% of all my mail.) For example, the item on video surveillance cameras, forwarded from alt.conspiracy, did not not reach me until a day after others had already posted public responses. And just today I got a 5-day old message (Steve Bellovin's "Re: Clipper Cracks Appear"). The message I posted today about "Shout it to the world: Clipper is Compromised!" has still not appeared at my site, although some others have already responded to me about it (ironically, Steve Bellovin did). My question is this: Is this just _me_ (and possibly Netcom), or are others seeing these delays? My suspicion has been that Netcom is bouncing mail, because of recent overloading and NFS problems, reports from other about their mail being delayed (usually this implies a bounce and resend), and from the lack of other messages here complaining about delayed messages. Could Hugh Daniel, if he is reading this, or Eric Hughes, or anyone else who has access to the list at toad.com give me some hint as to whether I should beat on Netcom some more? Could other Netcommers here, of which there may be as many as 50, tell me what experiences they've had? The second item is also an administrivia issue: I'm getting dozens of error messages from daemon@penet.finland.etc. or somesuch (I can't look right now at the precise address) telling me my mail cannot be delivered, will not be delivered, is being returned, etc. It looks like the old blocks Eric had installed to prevent Julf's system from doing this are no longer working. (There may be more accurate explanations....) Anyone else seeing this? Anything we can do? Does the new automated subscription software (majordomo?) have anything to do with this? If people send me comments, I'll summarize--unless someone really knows the Big Picture and wants to just summarize it all here. Thanks, --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."
1. Is the list sending out messages in a defective (slow) way, or is my service (Netcom) bouncing a lot of mail, thus causing these delays as toad attempts resends?
The problem, from what I can tell, is that one of the mail routing machines at uunet in Virginia was down. For various political reasons having to do with AUP's, toad.com routes NSFNet mail through uunet. So one of the relay machines went down, and some messages were delayed. Mail queuing makes no effort at all to preserve ordering, so if some message doesn't go straight to the machine it's supposed to the first time, ordering can get pretty randomly scrambled.
2. I'm getting a lot of error messages from Julf's site, saying my messages cannot be delivered to "an2757938" and the like. This used to be a problem, but was fixed by Eric Hughes a year or so ago. It appears to be back again. Are others seeing this, too?
I took five penet addresses off the list. Those people who were on it from that site can add themselves back on with majordomo. Eric
T.C. May wrote:
Cypherdenizens,
Sorry to bother the List, but two things have come up that I need some feedback on. Two items:
1. Is the list sending out messages in a defective (slow) way, or is my service (Netcom) bouncing a lot of mail, thus causing these delays as toad attempts resends? ... First, I seem to be having delays in Cypherpunks mail of about 1-2 days on about 5-10% of all messages. This shows up as me not seeing messages others are already responding to (because 90-95% of all messages are getting to me in the usual prompt way). I especially notice this, of course, with my own messages. (I can't test whether other mail is being delayed, because I'm no longer on Extropians and so Cypherpunks accounts for 95% of all my mail.)
It's not just you. I'm having the exact same problem. Most messages get thru rather quickly, but some have gotten delayed, sometimes by several days... The problem is appearantly at toad.com.
The second item is also an administrivia issue: I'm getting dozens of error messages from daemon@penet.finland.etc. or somesuch (I can't look right now at the precise address) telling me my mail cannot be delivered, will not be delivered, is being returned, etc. It looks like the old blocks Eric had installed to prevent Julf's system from doing this are no longer working. (There may be more accurate explanations....)
Anyone else seeing this? Anything we can do? Does the new automated subscription software (majordomo?) have anything to do with this?
Same thing. I've gotten over 50 reject messages from penet so far. :( I think Julf did a sweep to eliminate "inactive" accounts, and unfortunantly set the parameters a bit too broad. My penet account got killed too. The offending addresses seem to be: na56715 na55954 na49546 na69591
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Cypherdenizens,
Looks like netcom is getting overloaded. Looks like a few alternatives are needed. (Hoho. Sameer looks to the future. ;-) - -Sameer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLYrMR3i7eNFdXppdAQG1ggP/WZElz1DRU0zkjP4FF6Ue3VKN1a0/cXkM NQGvOAuIhk79yxiMNGC4FpDoDFcGzZ0GJ2P1skzNNBHvcAZzJ7Y4Rc02gF9ZZgv+ FioVGEaoXLFMHQAPtIm7DLvnSzN553Jr+qBhB2UjUVnA/ZQ2EtYgZV3vg3F+KLvT /9tY5cbVg5Q= =1Zfb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Also, mail from this list has the following header: Precedence: bulk That might slow things down on A LOT of systems. I know on my lists that I run, things tend to get bottlenecked untile mid-evening when "legitimate" stuff has been processed. ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@krypton.mankato.msus.edu \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> Political Correctness is \/ Finger for PGP 2.3a Public Key <=> P.C. for "Thought Police" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (GEEK CODE 1.0.1) GAT d- -p+(---) c++(++++) l++ u++ e+/* m++(*)@ s-/++ n-(---) h+(*) f+ g+ w++ t++ r++ y+(*)
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