Hi all! I _pay_ to read what's on this list. I was hoping that it would concern cryptography, remailers, etc. Detweiler was gone for a time. Now apparently it's the current fashion to flame him since he's returned. I'm not gonna pay to read rants against him. Do _something_ or talk in private. Does any of this shit belong on the list? And should I have to pay for it? I _know_ there are good minds out there, but why do I get all of these flames? Not quite what I was expecting. If you wanna talk crypto, post here. If you wanna beat Detweiler into the ground, please do it in private email! I _really_ don't care to hear attacks on another person. (Like that's why I subscribe? NOT!) Bruce
I _pay_ to read what's on this list. I was hoping that it would concern
Then I would humbly suggest that you drop whatever service provider is ripping you off by charging you for connect time, per-message, etc. and go with someone like Netcom, who charges a flat fee per month. Why pay for Compu$erve? It's one of the most expensive around. I pay to read what's on this list, too - but like Tim May and others, I got wise a while back and got an account with a service provider who charges me a flat fee for access. I would *never* use a service much that charged me per-hour - there are just too many out there who won't. Yes, I, too have a Compuserve account - I use it for about 10 minutes a month, usually for figuring out airline schedules and surfing Newsgrid. I've got this nifty expect(1) script gizmo that dials up Compu$erve, sucks off mail and Newsgrid, then drops the connection. I pay about $7 a month or so. I use Netcom for everything else, and I usually rack up around 4 hours a day on Netcom. I *still* only pay $18/month.
On Fri, 18 Feb 1994, Johan Helsingius wrote:
Yes, I, too have a Compuserve account - I use it for about 10 minutes a month, usually for figuring out airline schedules and surfing Newsgrid. Isn't there any way we could make even that stuff available on the Internet, so that there wouldn't be any need to use CS at all?
My local Bell in (810) has a free system called "touch-4." It's just a voicemail system but it has airline schedules and the cheapest rates if you give it a destination and a date. You need to listen to a couple commercials but it's a free call for me. I don't know if any of this information is on the net. _ __ __ _ _ _ _ | |___ _ _ | \/ |__ _| | (_)_ _ <*> Jonathan Scott Mallin | |_| / _ \ ' \ | |\/| / _` | | | | ' \ <*> <jmallin@umich.edu> \___/\___/_||_| |_| |_\__,_|_|_|_|_||_| <*> Email for PGP key -> This entire message is (C) 1994 by Jonathan Mallin. Reproduction is <- -> prohibited without express written consent. <-
Johan Helsingius says:
Yes, I, too have a Compuserve account - I use it for about 10 minutes a month, usually for figuring out airline schedules and surfing Newsgrid.
Isn't there any way we could make even that stuff available on the Internet, so that there wouldn't be any need to use CS at all?
Thats probably a business opportunity for someone. An authenticated way of browsing and charging airline tickets by net is much needed. .pm
Yes, I, too have a Compuserve account - I use it for about 10 minutes a month, usually for figuring out airline schedules and surfing Newsgrid.
Isn't there any way we could make even that stuff available on the Internet, so that there wouldn't be any need to use CS at all?
Yes, with a pay-per-use information vending machine. The reason that some service are on CI$ to begin with is that they get money based on usage. Eric
Bruce Dovala writes:
I _pay_ to read what's on this list. I was hoping that it would concern cryptography, remailers, etc. Detweiler was gone for a time. Now apparently it's the current fashion to flame him since he's returned. I'm not gonna pay to read rants against him. Do _something_ or talk in private. Does any of this shit belong on the list? And should I have to pay for it?
Hey. like, I pay to read what's on this list, and, like, I'm getting really tired of fuck-wads ranting about their being too much ranting, and, like, you know, I'm like not going to take it anymore. Read me? ---end of all-too-common rant--- Explanation of above rant: I'm not singling my colleague Bruce out for criticism, but this business of people complaining that the List is straying from what _they_ want to hear about that day is wrong-headed. Especially stuff about "I pay to read this list and...." The recent "flames" about Detweiler have been about the extremely important issues of remailer policy, handling of mailbombs, options for screening, advisability of screening and blocking, etc. The discussion has been remarkably free of flames qua flames against poor Larry himself, as 90% of us take it as a given that he's gone 'round the bend. The List talks about what people write about, period. The current discussion about remailer policy, source screening, pros and cons of these views, etc., is a whole lot more timely and relevant than discussing "cryptography," if by cryptography one means the eights rehashing of DES, the fifteenth debate about sources of random numbers, or the twenty-third explanation of how PGP works. Meanwhile, anyone is free to raise new issues. Or even old ones. Those who want to respond, will. The democratic market in action. But please don't attempt to "shame" others into not talking about some subject just because it's not what you want to hear about that day. Just delete messages you don't want to see. If, for some reason, you have to pay some outrageous amount per message (as Prodigy and others have been known to do), then this list is probably not for you. Or find a better Internet provider. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power:2**859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.
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