Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)
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Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:11:14 +0100 (NFT) From: ulf@fitug.de (Ulf =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6ller?=)
According to Jim Choate:
And this is different from yesterday how?
It is different in that it has been legal to distribute PGP and any other public domain and mass market crypto software from Denmark up to now.
Ah, so the call is for folks in Denmark to post the various pieces of currently available software then, not everyone on the planet as it appears. Don't think so. He's asking that people put PGP and other available software on their websites without the current export controls. If he's not then he's not doing anything except blowing empty bugles because people are already doing what he's asking for. In that situation he's after reputation capital, personal gain.
Are you offering to put up your monies to provide any and all legal and other support for any such site that participates? When is your site going up?
John Gilmore's RSAREF site went up about a year ago. Your point being what?
Exactly what it states above. If you don't get it to bad. RSAREF is not quite what he is asking folks to do now is it. Bottem line, Gilmore is asking folks to run out and put their livelyhood and their life at risk. What's he going to do for those who comply with his request? Let me ask you this Ulf, when is YOUR site going up? When will YOU be the first European repeater for the CDR? Your address implies you're in Denmark. What are you going to do for YOUR liberty today? Has Gilmore agreed to help fund YOUR fight of the change in your courts? Bottem line, when will you get off your butt and put your neck in the noose like many of the rest of us? The reality is that the change in Denmark's law changes the global picture very little. Now when Denmark quites letting people IMPORT PGP *and* places like the US quite letting people export it in some media (currently paper & ink) then you'll have cause to really be indignent. ____________________________________________________________________ If I can put in one word what has always infuriated me in any person, any group, any movement, or any nation, it is: bullying Howard Zinn The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah, so the call is for folks in Denmark to post the various pieces of currently available software then, not everyone on the planet as it appears.
It is not just about Denmark. The Wassenaar arrangement has been signed by 33 countries, including the US, Canada, the European Union, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Norway and others. Up to now, 30 of these states have allowed to export mass market and public domain crypto software without a license. Only the US, France and NZ did not have the "General Software Note". The US has exercised extreme pressure at the Wassenaar conference (as one German government official writes) and has managed to get the General Software Note modified. Now the states that have signed the arrangement will have to regulate the export of strong cryptography. There are other places such as Brazil, Iceland, South Africa, India, and even Singapore which do not have any export restrictions. However, must crypto software that is distributed on the Internet right now is distributed under General Software Note. John Gilmore writes: "I call for volunteers in each country, at each university or crypto-aware organization, to download crypto tools while they can still be exported from where they are, and then to offer them for export from your own site and your own country as long as it's legal." ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which is exactly what is needed in this situation.
RSAREF is not quite what he is asking folks to do now is it.
RSAREF is what he has determined he can legally export from the US. So, yes, he is doing what he also asks others to do.
Let me ask you this Ulf, when is YOUR site going up?
My university is already distributing SSLeay, PGP, ssh, cfs and other cypto tools. As long as they continue to do so, I won't make my mirror available on the web, but my own crypto site is going up later this week with another piece of strong crypto software.
Your address implies you're in Denmark.
Almost. :)
What are you going to do for YOUR liberty today? Has Gilmore agreed to help fund YOUR fight of the change in your courts?
Today I am going to create the distribution of the software I have been working on in the past months, have the server set up and, if all goes well, upload the file. I have made a few thousand dollars on developing crypto software and I am ready to use much of that money to defend my right to distribute the results of my work on the web. I haven't asked John or anybody else to help me.
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