Re: Java (was Netscape: the big win)
So, what would be a "cypherpunk" thing you could do with Java? I know I can use it to download little applets to my system to do animations. What can it do to enhance my privacy? What would be the Java equivalent of PGP?
How about the old-standbys: remailers. Mixmaster is definitely where the technology is at, but it requires a client to use... Of course, with Java, there is the potential that _any_ user from any platform could connect to the Mixmaster Web page, get the client software, and start using the remailer network. Without having to compile, know anything, etc... If a Mixmaster client were available in Java (and I'm pretty sure it can be done) then suddenly everyone who previously could only use the penet server can now also use Mixmaster. With more people using the remailer network, all of them with Java clients, the possibility of for-pay remailers could become reality (no promises that you'll get rich though). There are many crypto-anarchy applications as well: Key cracking. If you can write a key-cracker and keyspace fetcher in Java, then people can join key cracking efforts as easily looking up an URL. It may not be nearly as efficient as the highly optimized C versions used in the current RC4-40 efforts, but there's going to be millions of potential workers this way. If you were charging money to break keys (or you were looking for keys that are very valuable to you), you could set up the worker client to accept e-cash for in return for searching keyspace "Click here to earn money while you aren't using your machine..." Ensuring that workers are actually searching the keyspace and other implementation details is left as an exercise for the reader. e-instrument or information exchanges, with Java interfaces for bidding, buying, selling, etc... DataHavens, which would probably require complex (internally) software to use. I'm sure the online casino people are salivating over the prospects too... Basically any fancy crypto application that requires a custom client to operate... Since its platform independent, efforts will be put to better use as well. andrew
On Fri, 21 Jul 1995, Andrew Loewenstern wrote:
If a Mixmaster client were available in Java (and I'm pretty sure it can be done) then suddenly everyone who previously could only use the penet server can now also use Mixmaster. With more people using the remailer network, all of them with Java clients, the possibility of for-pay remailers could become reality (no promises that you'll get rich though).
The problem, Java only runs on a pretty restricted set of software. I don't have to be running Solaris to take advantage of penet. -- Ed Carp, N7EKG Ed.Carp@linux.org, ecarp@netcom.com 801/534-8857 voicemail 801/460-1883 digital pager Finger ecarp@netcom.com for PGP 2.5 public key an88744@anon.penet.fi Q. What's the trouble with writing an MS-DOS program to emulate Clinton? A. Figuring out what to do with the other 639K of memory.
[I've cc:ed this to the Mixmaster development list --Futplex] Andrew Loewenstern writes:
If a Mixmaster client were available in Java (and I'm pretty sure it can be done) then suddenly everyone who previously could only use the penet server can now also use Mixmaster. With more people using the remailer network, all of them with Java clients, the possibility of for-pay remailers could become reality (no promises that you'll get rich though).
Ed Carp writes: # The problem, Java only runs on a pretty restricted set of software. I # don't have to be running Solaris to take advantage of penet. True, but an important part of the promise of Java is that many people are AFAIK actively working on porting it to most major platforms. Right now it apparently runs only on Solaris 2.3+ and Win NT 3.5. However, Sun is working on porting it to Win `95 and Mac System 7.5. I assume other people are trying to port it to other Unices. I recognize that this is RSN again, but I believe there is reason for optimism in this case. I'm getting extremely interested in porting the Mixmaster client to Java. Doug Barnes' enthusiasm at the last BA phys. mtg. has proven infectious, with a delayed reaction in my case ;). I plan to say more about this notion on mix-l within the next few days. -Futplex <futplex@pseudonym.com>
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