Hmmmm... If memory serves, a year or so ago there was just such a schism when a prominent cypherpunk split off and formed the "cypherWONKS" list.

:-) :-) And starting a new list lets us decided on a new LOGO to replace that old tacky rose-and-bits thingy :-) Cryptographic Professionals for Social Responsibility Cryptographic Industry Association National Steganography Alliance Cryptographers for Foreign Reflexivity Extremely Private Institute for Cryptography NII Institute of Cryptography American Cryptographic Legal Union Free Banking Institute Cryptographic Defense Taskforce Cryptographic Organization for Privacy and Security Entropy, Steganography, and Cryptography Research Organization for Women (If anything, what we need is a way to separate the technical/mathematical discussions from rants like this, but any time we get the list focused on mostly technical issues, the government goes out of its way to do something egregiously stupid or offensive...) Somewhat more seriously, though, there are times that it's useful to have a more respectable-sounding organization (or at least a letterhead...), that's open to participation by members and not just directors (which has been some people's concern about the EFF, CDT, EPIC, and maybe TAP or CPSR.) If none of those are respectable/accessible/non-socialist enough for you, and the British Cryptographic Privacy Association (or whatever their name was) can't be found or sounds too much like International Outside Agitators, and the various academic groups are too busy being academicly respectable to do political agitation ("CryptoAcademics Write Papers!"), then come up with a name and a Postscript letterhead, and start an email list that you can gateway to cypherpunks (as long as you can prevent duplications or mail-floods.) If the main goal is to have a calmer name and mostly the same activities, an alter-ego mailing list is one approach. #--- # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts@ix.netcom.com # Phone +1-510-247-0664 Pager/Voicemail 1-408-787-1281 #---