From: erc@s116.slcslip.indirect.com (Ed Carp [khijol Sysadmin])
Governments as a whole are seen to be "bad" because they invariably undermine the right of the individual to make choices for themselves.
Quite untrue. It's society which provides you with an environment in which you have choices. And its government which orders that society. It's because government has served you so well, that you have luxury to fantasize you don't need it. You're being duped. ---
The so-called "Third Wave" has nothing to do with government and everything to do with the empowerment of the individual. Some seem to not recognize that.
This has always been the case throughout history - the forces of dark, of disinformation, have always attempted to keep true power from the hands of
The "Third Wave" -- if you take the PFF's Magna Carta definition (and Toffler is one of the authors) -- is a power grab by corporations to return the world economy to status of the USA economy in the 1880's. You so-called libertarians might like the theoretical, abstract formula of "unregulated capital", but if you'd put down your Friedman long enough to read history, you'd know that it was a disaster. Unregulated capitalism is incompatible with a civilized societiy. --- the people. So why are you on the wrong side? -rkm PS> If this list would like to see the full Magna Carta, or my analysis/review of it ("Electric Dreams" sent you a few clips), please let me know. --- Richard K. Moore - rkmoore@iol.ie - Wexford, Ireland - fax +353 53 23970
Richard K. Moore says:
The "Third Wave" -- if you take the PFF's Magna Carta definition (and Toffler is one of the authors) -- is a power grab by corporations to return the world economy to status of the USA economy in the 1880's. You so-called libertarians might like the theoretical, abstract formula of "unregulated capital", but if you'd put down your Friedman long enough to read history, you'd know that it was a disaster. Unregulated capitalism is incompatible with a civilized societiy.
Before starting a giant flamewar here, let me simply note that some of us violently disagree with everything -- ever last detail -- of what you have to say -- indeed, probably the majority of people here. Since this isn't a list for discussion of politics, I'll simply suggest that this isn't the right place to discuss this. Perry
Richard K. Moore says:
libertarians might like the theoretical, abstract formula of "unregulated capital", but if you'd put down your Friedman long enough to read history, you'd know that it was a disaster.
Perry Metzger says:
Before starting a giant flamewar here, let me simply note that some of us violently disagree with everything -- ever last detail -- of what you have to say -- indeed, probably the majority of people here. Since this isn't a list for discussion of politics, I'll simply suggest that this isn't the right place to discuss this.
Some others of us, however, are very happy to see that there are people still subscribed to this list who don't buy into the tripe that the "majority" of the people here try to pass off as a political philosophy. This list _ought_ to be the wrong place for politics, but it is disingenuous to imply that politics, and pretty nutty politics at that, doesn't consume a hefty fraction of what this list spews out. The fact that someone expressing a moderate viewpoint is in danger of being flambeed is the list's problem, not Mr. Moore's. -- Will
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