Re: Elementrix POTP
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I forwarded:
Unfortunately, and we really mean unfortunately, we can only reveal what "it is" to people who agree to a non-disclosure arrangement while we're patent pending. Otherwise we would have no problem revealing the whole method. So far, every international expert who has reviewed the method agrees (after many, many hours and days of trying to find holes) that POTP really does what we say it does.
and Kari asked:
Maybe you could name those experts who have inspected it - thanks.
Um, in an earlier post she mentioned the venerable Mr. Kahn and someone else whose name I forget. I think I suggested (for cypherpunk credibility) Carl, Wei, and maybe (for the "paranoid") Perry, but I think she just wants to take her chances with us. I suggested also PRZ, as this would maybe help his legal fund. :) Surprisingly, she seemed unaware of any particular NSA interest in the prod. I assured her that they were interested, and we agreed that since the main office of the company was in Israel there was nothing to do on this end. She did not respond to my nosy questions about Israel govt. ownership, or ownership period. I suppose my own combination of nosiness, crypto relative-cluelessness, and insistence on my own use of PGP until something's provably better <g> was beginning to annoy her, so she said, "Go tell them this!" to get me out of her hair. I'm still curious about how her technology claims to do its thing, but that's why I hang with the C-punks (at least, one reason!). ;) "We" (not me) will (eventually) get a copy and either rake it over the coals (likely, IMO) or "endorse" it by failing to find a weakness (not so likely, IMO). Sorry I can't say more, but I don't know more. JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh iQCVAwUBMHvVXG1lp8bpvW01AQGwnAQAjk1+LFBuWaq5xovZySk43wNRKSviS57V JTZCQVyFugsNTUQYaYP/h2UZ4hcCtJe0aePgENm5B2tBibp9MuP0skNG9m4v+O8A cG5vei2TDMy7vh5tNWSnDdJ5dEjttGOU/nCEGC6JpDLvfdLICRrp7KdeCIY1bhc3 Up616khae4A= =NTqn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Regards, Jim Ray Ray's Corolary to Murphy's Law: "You will be spared _NOTHING_." -- Peter C. Ray [my dad]. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Key id. # E9BD6D35 James Milton Ray <liberty@gate.net> IANAL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Help Phil! email zldf@clark.net or see http://www.netresponse.com/zldf _______________________________________________________________________
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- liberty@gate.net (Jim Ray) wrote: and Kari asked:
Maybe you could name those experts who have inspected it - thanks.
Um, in an earlier post she mentioned the venerable Mr. Kahn and someone else whose name I forget. I noted at the time that I didn't know any of the names, except Kahn, and only later realised that this is the Kahn who wrote the book, not the Karn who is a cryptographer. I don't know whether David Kahn actually has any credentials at all as a cryptographer. Does anyone else? Note I'm not trying to discredit Elementrix POTP, and especially not David Kahn who wrote a very important book. Greg Rose INTERNET: greg_rose@sydney.sterling.com Sterling Software VOICE: +61-2-9975 4777 FAX: +61-2-9975 2921 28 Rodborough Rd. http://www.sydney.sterling.com:8080/~ggr French's Forest 35 0A 79 7D 5E 21 8D 47 E3 53 75 66 AC FB D9 45 NSW 2086 Australia. co-mod sci.crypt.research, USENIX Director. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBMHxs96RQkCwJ0+ZNAQFaOQP+MCk6kEjdwXmWIb56SIo1frZSp3Ynvxul 6TpcEz1PgNHEzHu7DVlwbNiCFc7eCCJpI8kB+pU/bB5q6Q4G88DNfmULc0NSYApI QWfer0DuuUrE2mZcknZTRb+3zMrzzd/AjGXnujE2SEODmKtc+1yAYhdgZchRYfTY w/yiLWpnxgA= =z10F -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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