At 01:42 97/08/04 EST, TruthMonger wrote:

Sure, quit before we even have a chance to use the cheap shots we've thought up since our last posts. Spoilsport.

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Tim, you're in my killfile now too so I'm not going to respond directly to your comments.

Me neither. I'm going to use email.

OK. I was trying to not-so-elegantly back out of the big hole I dug for myself. To be completely honest, I am fascinated (I don't know if this is the right word here...) by this discussion and if we were f-t-f I would probably still be engaged but I find Tim's arguments too deep to write off, but I find myself without enough time right now to engage with my full attention...and if I don't give this my full attention, I'm sure I'll lose... so, I gave up... for now. I'll formulate my thoughts and next time, I'll think before I write. Maybe I'll wait for a chance to take a stab at Tim later on. At 00:44 97/08/04 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:02:24 -0700 From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net> Subject: Re: Tim Throws a "Leaner" / Re: Tim Speaks the Truth

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Any journalist in Europe or in the U.S. would be seen as having irreparably compromised his journalistic objectivity by serving on such a panel! And properly so, of course.

As long as they were representing their personal opinions and not acting as a journalist (ie being paid by a 3rd party) and they disclose the action there would be compromise on objectivity.

Jim, I hope you meant to say "wound not be compromising" in the above statement. This may sound like an afterthought, but one of the reasons that I did such a stupid thing as post my association with a police study group here was as a part of being very open about what I was doing and trying to ask for advice on that basis. Also, FYI, I am not being paid by the government or any 3rd party. I am not a "consultant" to the government. I am an "outside expert". I am not representing the police to the people of Japan, I am trying represent the peoples' interest to the government... but I'll stop now before I get bashed again. - Joi -- Finger jito@nsm.eccosys.com or jito@garage.co.jp for PGP Key Fingerprint for RSA PGP Key ID 0x0EE23A2D 0D3A 7AAA 3DA8 E7B3 3AF1 C6FA B7ED D834 Fingerprint for DSS/Diffie-Hellman PGP Key ID 0x2D9461F1 58F3 CA9A EFB8 EB9D DF18 6B16 E48D AF2A 2D94 61F1 Home Page: http://domino.garage.co.jp/jito/joihome.nsf To subscribe to my personal mailing list send mailto:friends-subscribe@ito.com