Identity, Persistence, Anonymity, and Accountability--Part I of II
[Note: This is a two-part article I posted to the "Nym" list. I'm posting it here as well, but not in a "cross-post" form, because it obviously touches on many themes of interest to Cypherpunks. Declan M. has created this new list to discuss anonymity and pseudonyms. It is, predictably, largely duplicative of discussions on the Cypherpunks and other lists, but Declan and others feel it is needed. It is not necessarily open to all, to reduce the number of insults, ASCII art posts, drunken ramblings (mine excepted), and off-topic spams and such, so don't ask _me_ for instructions on how to subscribe to it. Declan may send you instructions if he wants to, of course.] [The second part will follow this part] There are many swirling notions of anonymity here, and a bunch of what I think are misconceptions about the link between anonymous systems and "accountability." Some here believe accountability (which I'll define and discuss in more detail below) is important enough to take precedence over a "right to anonymity." I think this is confusing some important issues. First some observations: * The norm in most interactions is a very loose amount of formal checks of identity credentials. Most of us never actually check the credentials of our friends and associates. Most commercial transactions, and most travels, involve no identity credentials whatsoever. (A point nicely make my Marc Rotenberg today.) * However, as we have repeated dealings with people, on lists or in person, we begin to establish a "sense of identity" for those persons, a repeated history. This has nothing _formally_ to do with identity credentials, but much to do with _expectations_ about the future. Thus, in my several years of dealing with "Black Unicorn" I have come to view him (or her, or it) as a persistent personna. Whether or not he truly is one person, and whether I know his (alleged) True Name, is largely unimportant. * It is very important that even we non-lawyers keep in mind what a _contract_ is. A contract is an offer, and an acceptance. Whether a True Name is part of the offer, by any of the parties, is unimportant. (In terms of enforceability of the contract, in terms of going after parties who fail to meet the terms of a contract, some measure of identity may of course help accountability. But this is epiphenomenol to the basics of the contract...it's just a matter of convenience.) * Hence the view many of us have that if Alice and Bob interact, they may or may not use fake names, nicknames, handles, putative True Names, or even DNA-verified biological markers. Their call. * In cases where accountability is Very Important, as in purchases of large ticket items, the usual method is to use strict title search companies, specialists in tracking actual records. Title companies, in other words. (And, even then, proofs of identity are less extreme than many anti-anonymity advocates might think. In the purchase of three homes, I've only had to "flash" my state-issued I.D. card. In fact, it was a driver's license, hardly designed as an actual proof of identity. Of course, there are certain ontological assumptions about identity in such large-ticket purchases, such as that I.D. is backed up by other things, including possession of a title deed.) * The main question that involves Washington (or other lawmakers) is this: Under what circumstances may the state compell identity to be produced? I happen to agree with several on this list, including E. Volokh and (actually) D Brin, that there are cases where identity can be compelled. Even if it only means a _sworn statement_ (as in "making an X" on a statement written by others). Applying for a passport, appearing before court, perhaps driving on the public roads. But note that there absolutely is no requirement in the United States for a general form of identification. Non-drivers need not have any form of I.D. And as we have seen in court cases, a la Lawson v. Kolender (where a black man in dreadlocks used to like to walk the streets of San Diego...the cops stopped him many times and jailed him for not having I.D. on him...the court ruled that people don't have to present credentials issued by the state to walk the public streets). * Therefore, the issue is not of a "right to anonymity," which would probably be as nebulous to debate as the "right to privacy" (which Bork probably was correct in saying cannot be found in the Constitution), but, rather, the issue of when the State may compell identity. To put it in the blunt terms we libertarians find useful: "When can men with guns tell us we have to produce a piece of paper with our pictures on it that they find acceptable?" Possibly for the situations I mentioned above. But maybe not even in all of those situations. (Next time I am called for jury duty, and my last time was in 1973, I plan to take no state-issued I.D. junk with me...I will _tell_ them who I am and leave it at that.) * In ordinary interactions and in commercial transactions (modulo gun purchases and a few other similar areas), identity cannot be compelled. Alice is free to ask Bob for his name, or his blood type, or anything else she chooses (modulo questions banned by the Civil Rights Act, disgustingly enough), and either is free to cancel the interaction or transaction as they wish. Contracts again: an offer made and an acceptance. * Now if Alice wishes to _extend credit_ to Bob, or take his promise to pay via a check or some other "delayed clearing" instruement, she is free to request various things that will satisfy her that she can later track down Bob and collect from him. Importantly, this is not a _state_ function. This is still a matter of contract. Bob is of course free to refuse to give his name and to cancel the transaction. * It's a fact that most vendors (Alice) are less interested in acquiring market research data by getting True Names than they are in selling stuff. Hence, most merchants don't care about True Names. And for online clearing (instant clearing, as with cash or guaranteed payments sytems), names really don't matter. Even Radio Shack, which makes a big point of asking for names and addresses, will gladly make a sale to those who refuse to go along. * There are cases where this normal "Alice doesn't care about names" situation is distorted by other considerations. Recently, airlines have been instructed by the FAA to do a credential check...they are happy enough to comply, as it cuts down on the practice of companies buying advance tickets in bulk and then deciding later who will actually use the tickets. (I believe the pre-FAA ruling situation, where airlines didn't bother to check I.D.s to be a good indicator of what free market forces would produce absent such an FAA rule.) Certain large-ticket purchases may no longer be made in cash. Part of this is the move to control money-laundering and smurfing, and the "structuring" laws. Black Unicorn has an amusing story of trying to buy a car in suburban Washington, with cash (or a cashier's check, I forget which), and having law enforcment arrive a short time later and hold him for questioning.... Likewise, it's becoming more common for motels and hotels to demand photo I.D. Some even refuse to accept cash without a credit card (which we know is not an actual I.D., but it sort of acts as one). I'm not sure what all the reasons for this are. Here are some, briefly: fear of being stung by someone who trashes the room, concern about being charged with enabling prostitution, pressure from regulatory boards (who may be pressured by law enforcement), or perhaps just the general attitude that "I.D. is required." (As I've said, this attitude hasn't filtered down to ordinary daily transactions.) So, identity is not the same as accountability (though there are some correlations). And lack of identity does not mean criminality. And most importantly, most cases where some proof of identity is requested don't need any state involvement in what are private transactions or contracts. 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Tiny Timmy May <tcmay@got.net> read alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.little-boys and stroked his little limp penis until the following came out:
[Note: This is a two-part article I posted to the "Nym" list. I'm posting it here as well, but not in a "cross-post" form, because it obviously touches on many themes of interest to Cypherpunks. Declan M. has created this new list to discuss anonymity and pseudonyms. It is, predictably, largely duplicative of discussions on the Cypherpunks and other lists, but Declan and others feel it is needed. It is not necessarily open to all, to reduce the number of insults, ASCII art posts, drunken ramblings (mine excepted), and off-topic spams and such, so don't ask _me_ for instructions on how to subscribe to it. Declan may send you instructions if he wants to, of course.]
[some bullshit snipped unread] The reason why Declan felt compelled to "run away" from the unmoderated cypherpunks list is obvious. You may recall that some months ago Declan publushed a very negative "expose" of myself in Netly news, and in it he forged nunmerous quotes from me. The words Declan attributed to me in his "expose" were directly opposite of what I told him in my phone interview and were intended to make me look like an idiot. I've repeatedly called Declan a liar and a forger on this forum, the last time just recently. Apparently Declan doesn't like being exposed as the liar and a forger that he is. :-) He's rather hide out on a censored forum, where he can suppress the opinions he doesn't like. Tiny Tim is happy to bend over and let Declan (or Sandy or any other self-appointed censor) decide which of Timmy's rants are worth publishing. You may recall that Declan has another censored mailing list, which he ironicalled called "fight-censrship". That list is frequented by another "journalist" whom Declan describes as his "friend" - the pathological liar Charlie Platt, a psychipath who should be confined to an insane asylum (and fired from his lab job at New School for his racist hate speech). Charlie Platt's been using the "fight-censorship" list to publish lies about me, and Declan wouldn't let me reply in the same forum that Platt's claims about me are lies. I'm not the only victim of Declan's lies and forgeries. E.g., the Center for Deomcracy in Technology (CDT) complained to Declan's employer, Time Warner, about Declan's lies, forgeries, and misrepresentations of CDT's position. Tiny Tim and Declan were long-time supporters of John Gilmore's censorship of this list and of C2net's/Sandy Sandfart's "moderation experiment". If they want to get the hell off of Cypherpunks yet another censored mailing list, but only comment is "good riddance to bad writers".
Sounds like a good way to sap some of the energy from the cp list. Thanks for letting us know. bd one of the unwashed On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Tim May wrote:
[Note: This is a two-part article I posted to the "Nym" list. I'm posting it here as well, but not in a "cross-post" form, because it obviously touches on many themes of interest to Cypherpunks. Declan M. has created this new list to discuss anonymity and pseudonyms. It is, predictably, largely duplicative of discussions on the Cypherpunks and other lists, but Declan and others feel it is needed. It is not necessarily open to all, to reduce the number of insults, ASCII art posts, drunken ramblings (mine excepted), and off-topic spams and such, so don't ask _me_ for instructions on how to subscribe to it. Declan may send you instructions if he wants to, of course.] ...
At 9:13 PM -0700 12/14/97, Brad Dolan wrote:
Sounds like a good way to sap some of the energy from the cp list.
Thanks for letting us know.
bd one of the unwashed
I agree that it siphons off energy, but then so have Coderpunks, Cryptography, Fight-Censorship, e$pam (or whatever Hettinga's lists are called), and various other lists. List proliferation is a fact of life. And each new list thinks it will avoid the problems of the past. (I joined another list recently, a list designed to not repeat the problems seen on the Extropians list. Well, sure enough, it's "more Extropian than the Extropians list." Sad.) Declan decided that rebroadcasting articles out of Nym would not be allowed, but he said nothing about not mentioning its existence. (Nor would I have agreed to be on a list whose very existence I could not disclose.) Anyway, tonight when I mentioned its existence as I was posting an article here that I wrote for the Nym list, I half-expected some comments from Dimitri. But I didn't expect someone to post the subscription instructions (anonymously, of course). Hint: it wasn't I. Anyway, I suppose that by mid-morning tomorrow Declan is going to have to decide how to deal with subscriptions by Vulis, Human Gus-Peter, Toto, and all the others. I'm glad I'm not responsible for such things. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
Sounds like a good way to sap some of the energy from the cp list. [...] But I didn't expect someone to post the subscription instructions (anonymously, of course). Hint: it wasn't I.
Me neither, but it's no big surprise that the instructions didn't remain secret for long. Posting supposedly secret information is one of the things remailers have been build for, after all. It is precisely for that reason that the don't-forward policy will not protect anyone. If you are saying something controversial, people will forward it, if you like it or not. (Remailers will protect you, because they allow you to send messages without your `identity' attached.) Anyway, I don't expect the new list to sap energy from the cypherpunks list -- rather the contrary. For example, Tim probably wouldn't have written his essay (and posted it to cypherpunks), if not for the Nym list. Declan managed to get together a number of people who haven't been seen on cypherpunks for years, if ever. Allowing posters (as opposed to readers, see above) on invitation only doesn't seem too bad to me. The Nym list promises to be interesting.
At 1:40 PM -0700 12/15/97, Ulf Möller wrote:
Anyway, I don't expect the new list to sap energy from the cypherpunks list -- rather the contrary. For example, Tim probably wouldn't have written his essay (and posted it to cypherpunks), if not for the Nym list. Declan managed to get together a number of people who haven't been seen on cypherpunks for years, if ever. Allowing posters (as opposed to readers, see above) on invitation only doesn't seem too bad to me. The Nym list promises to be interesting.
Thank you (translation: danke schon, mitout der umlaut) for the kind comments about my long two-part esssay. I agree that any new list will generate _some_ new articles. I can't claim, with all due respect to Declan, that the Nym list has generated any partcularly new insights. Maybe it will, but for now most of what we are seeing are initial points of view, recylings of long-held opinions. I, for one, no longer have the energy to rewrite things I first posted in 1992 or 93. Maybe others will bring up new issues which can generate truly new responses. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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