Gary L. Burnore's Paranoid Hatred of Privacy and Anonymity
gburnore@netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote:
:Most control freaks like Gary Burnore and the rest of the DataBasix Gang are :hypocritical about privacy. They want to invade that of others at will while :protecting their own. Gary Burnore and Belinda Bryan :were worried that their UNLISTED PHONE NUMBERS might be given out, but anyone :who dares criticize their actions with an "unlisted" e-mail address is an :"anon asshole".
So you'll post your address and phone number right away, right?
You go first, since you claim you "have nothing to hide". Why would anyone with "nothing to hide" choose to "hide behind the skirts of" an unlisted phone number and street address? (Recognize the rhetoric? It's yours, not mine.)
:I'm still wondering what wondrous plans Gary and Belinda had for all :those e-mail addresses of the users of the Huge Cajones Remailer if Jeff :Burchell had turned them over to DataBasux as they had demanded. (Not just the :senders but the RECIPIENTS as well!)
More lies from the anonymous asshole.
I posted the URL. What part of it was a "lie"? Are you now denying that you demanded that Jeff Burchell turn over the sendmail logs from his Huge Cajones Remailer to you and Belinda Bryan?
: Fortunately, Jeff was smarter than your :average Burnore and didn't keep such things around to tempt DataBasix, :Scientology, etc., so we'll never find out.
Supposidly, they weren't available. Now you're claiming he had them but kept them private. What else will you accuse Jeff of? Jeff didn't do anything wrong yet you constantly berate him. What do you have to gain by demeaning Jeff?
Haha! Nice try at IKYABWAI. I guess that's the best you at DataBasix can do to try to divert attention from your activities and tactics? You and Belinda were the anti-privacy control freaks who supposed that Jeff had created and maintained logs for abusive organizations like DataBasix and the Church of Scientology to demand. Jeff knew better all along and didn't keep such info to tempt people like you. Had you done your homework rather than blindly attacking Jeff and his remailer, you'd have known that such data didn't exist and could have saved yourselves the embarrassment of being caught trying to demand it. You still haven't stated your reason for demanding these logs which, had they existed, would have identified everyone who either sent or received anonymous messages through the Huge Cajones Remailer. What wonderful surprises lay in store for remailer users after their identities had fallen into your hands?
Why are you trying to get remailers shut down.
Jeff Burchell NAMED his attackers. Would you care to point out my name in his post? (Yours is named rather often.): http://calvo.teleco.ulpgc.es/listas/cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com/HTML-1997-... Your paranoid conspiracy theories remind me of the kid who blamed the mess in his bedroom on an invisible herd of stampeding elephants. ("Well of course you didn't see them, dad. They're INVISIBLE.") In your case, you speculate that there's a single "anonymous asshole" who's responsible for everything that you CLAIM has occurred. The problem is, you haven't proven that 90% of the stuff you *CLAIM* occurred even happened, let alone was the work of your imaginary lone "spam-baiting/forging/child-molesting/cyber-stalking/libeling" (did I miss anything?) so-called "anon asshole". How about some proof of your wild charges, Gary? Only one of us even USES remailers (or at least admits to it). You, OTOH, have never had a civil word to say about ANY anonymous poster. If remailers were shut down, I'd lose my ability to post. What would you lose, Gary? Is being able to identify your critics and single them out for harassment really that important to you?
wmcclatc@primenet.com (William J. McClatchie, aka "Wotan") wrote:
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So you'll post your address and phone number right away, right?
You go first, since you claim you "have nothing to hide". Why would anyone with "nothing to hide" choose to "hide behind the skirts of" an unlisted phone number and street address? (Recognize the rhetoric? It's yours, not mine.)
Can anyone else spot the hypocracy of someone using an anon-remailer demanding others post their unlisted phone numbers?
I'm glad you spotted that. It started the other way around, with Gary Burnore whining that people were "cowards" and "anonymous assholes" for not including their e-mail addresses in their posts (thus indiscriminately broadcasting them to the world), while his own telephone number is unlisted. If he's so concerned about full disclosure and properly identifying everyone that posts, then surely he won't mind posting his street address and home phone number ... if he has "nothing to hide". <g> Personally, I don't care what his phone number and address are. I have no reason to call or snail mail him. I'm only calling his bluff concerning the premise "if you have nothing to hide, then you won't mind disclosing everything". If you're the current contender in the DataBasix tag team, then the same challenge applies to you. Since Gary claims that he has blocked all e-mail from remailers, apparently he does not wish to communicate with me privately. So why should an unlisted e-mail address be any different than an unlisted telephone number? If I want you to e-mail me, I'll give you my address. I don't. So why should I broadcast my e-mail address?
rashidk@mailexcite.com (Rashid Kaman) wrote:
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So why should an unlisted e-mail address be any different than an unlisted telephone number? If I want you to e-mail me, I'll give you my address. I don't. So why should I broadcast my e-mail address?
Credibility and you have been going in different directions for a good while.
I suppose you have that on the "authority" of your unnamed "unimpeachable source", huh? (The same one who you claimed knows more about what was going on with Jeff Burchell's remailer than Jeff himself did.) Shades of McCarthyism.... When Gary Burnore and the DataBasix gang become the standard for "credibility", the word will have become meaningless. Strangely enough, a search of the public database of listed telephone numbers turns up nothing for you. If you'd like to post your home address and telephone number, in the name of Gary Burnore's "tell all if you have nothing to hide" philosophy, be my guest.
I'd be interested to see the BS you add to all your other ones by answering the below. You wouldn't be avoiding an answer would you?
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On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:44:40 +0100 (MET), nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
If remailers were shut down, I'd lose my ability to post.
Why is that?
For the same reason you'd no longer be able to post from mailexcite.com if someone decided to shut it down! I guess I've overestimated the intelligence of Gary Burnore's tag team if the answer to your question wasn't obvious. <g> Now would you care to tell us why the wonderful folks at DataBasix thought they were entitled to copies Jeff Burchell's sendmail logs listing both the senders and recipients of anonymous mail through Jeff's remailer and what they planned to do with the information in them? (If you don't know, perhaps you can ask your "source" who seems to know everything about this whole episode.)
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