-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Greg Broiles wrote,

I second Hal's suggestion to route Detweiler's traffic through Xenon's remailer.

(Xenon - the point isn't to keep Detweiler off the net. We all know that's impossible. The point is to keep Detweiler from getting remailers shut down by abusing them. That's why this is particularly unlike censorship; Detweiler's goal is to keep all people from using remailers.)

Sure, send me YOUR garbage. Why isn't Larry abusing MY remailer? This peer pressure is childish. I no longer really need qwerty as a remailer, and will happily shut it down as soon as YOU people start abusing it. I admit I created a lot of negative feelings out there with my statement that I didn't want to block Larry's addresses. However, say I retract that statement, and say I do not want to block him, but that I AM willing to give into such peer pressure and try TO block him? I now ask you to, with compassion, educate me about how the arguments I express against the MEANS you tell me to use, are not valid. I don't mind blocking the address of some undergrad who is sending silly stuff to Usenet, but must I always have to demonstrate to you things that I cannot seem to convey in words? OK. I shall write a script to telnet to port 25 of a given remailer, and forge mail from various non-existent addresses at Netcom. They will include names like "S.Boxx@netcom.com", "Executioner@netcom.com", and "Fuckyou@netcom.com". What will you do then, block incoming from netcom.com? Yeah right ;-) ! I sent myself mail this way via Hal's remailer. It WORKED. Larry knew how to do this when I was still trying to work my newsreader. Again, as I have said before, it is my feeling that all of our trying to block Larry's current known addresses will only fuel the fire, and next time he will REALLY cause problems. He isn't a stupid guy. And he IS the type of person who if you fight him, he will fight back with more energy than before. So far I am not impressed with the level of sophistication in the words I hear coming from the remailer operators and other interested parties out here. We need an ABUSE filter, not a Detweiler filter, for with current sendmail, we CANNOT block a determined person from abusing the remailers. And it is my belief that trying to do so will renew their fanaticism and dedication to upsetting the remailers. He already seems to have a new anon.penet.fi address. He can have as many more as he wants, brand spanking new, by telnetting to anon.penet.fi 25 and faking his address. I have tried this and it too WORKS. Give me a real solution, one that will not make the problem WORSE. Many of you out here remind me of government bureaucrats, in how you want to try quick very short term fixes, which in the end only backfire and make the problems worse. You think Larry isn't willing to fork over $20 to get a Netcom account and then spend another $50 to buy e-postage, then send out much MORE damning abuses (since you made it harder for him to do damage by quantity alone), this time