So much for free speech...

At 1:34 PM 11/6/95, s1113645@tesla.cc.uottawa.ca wrote:
On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, Dr. Frederick B. Cohen wrote:
In the United States, we have the right to express whatever view we wish, so long as it doesn't endanger others (e.g., insight to riot, scream "fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire, etc.). Everyone has an inherent right to question why a person seeks moments of anonymity or privacy.
You're forgetting our good friends the libel laws. Another reason to go anon. You have the right to say whatever you please, but you'll have to be able to defend it in court if it damages someone's reputation. It can also get you fired. (or shot if you're MLK)
Sadly, the tradition of "free speech" is under assault. On many fronts. The new "civil rights" laws are just one avenue for the suppression of what was once considered free speech. Submitted for your disapproval: "13-year-old student arrested for racial slurs" (Santa Cruz Sentinel, p. 1, 3 November 1995) by Michael Green, Redding Record Searchlight "REDDING -- When a 13-year-old Redding student was arrested for allegedly making racial slurs, police and school administrators said it was necessary to maintain order and send a strong message against racism. "But some legal experts take a dimmer view of the boy's arrest, saying that calling someone names, even offensive ones, is not a crime and in fact is constitutionally protected. ... "The Redding-area boy, who is white, allegedly made racial insults toward a 12-year-old Hispanic student before being arrested last Thursday. ... "Police Chief Bob Blankeship said he would encourage officers to use the civil rights laws to stop racial harassment if prosecutors determine it is appropriate. ... "The boy was arrested on suspicion of violating the Hispanic student's civil rights. Penal Code section 422.6 makes it a misdemeanor to interfere with another person's rights or harm their property because of their race, gender, religion, disability or sexual orientation." ----- Wow! "Verbal abuse." Throw away the key. "Freedom does not mean the freedom to think bad thoughts," as Big Bro once said. If they don't get you for illegally using random numbers, they'll get you for uttering incorrect words. Back to reality. No word on whether prosecution will take place (I doubt it...this will likely be dropped, now that the message has been sent to the students, and now that civil rights folks are getting interested). Children are usually not accorded full constitutional protections, especially not in public schools, but this does not mean the police should arrest those who utter the wrong words! (Maybe suspending the student, though I certainly wouldn't do that.) This is the "safe and secure" world we are in, where bad thoughts and bad words are punished. Or threatened with lawsuits. Anarchy seems infinitely preferable to me. --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Wow! "Verbal abuse." Throw away the key. "Freedom does not mean the freedom to think bad thoughts," as Big Bro once said. [...]
Indeed. The conviction on my criminal record for verbal abuse is one of the things that opened my eyes to the true state of "free speech" in this country. Raph -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBFAwUBMJ5U42RuKj5D5x2JAQH0BgF9FxkKs0cRM/Ri0yvUKTnu5Q/2QAaEFVcD rU6aruVdEN+j3iXOF0ot3mNRqoKc3nYN =03DF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

"Freedom shall stops where starts the one of the others" That's what I learned, and what I think it is a "good thing", Thus, your freedom of speach shall stops where it starts hurting people [not that I support at all the childish way l^Hamericans sue everybody for anything, but I am happy that racists saying are not allowed and can be condamned in France.] dl -- Laurent Demailly * http://hplyot.obspm.fr/~dl/ * Linux|PGP|Gnu|Tcl|... Freedom Prime#1: cent cinq mille cent cinq milliards cent cinq mille cent soixante sept class struggle domestic disruption Kennedy bomb Saddam Hussein Peking Kaser Sose

Laurent Demailly writes:
"Freedom shall stops where starts the one of the others" That's what I learned, and what I think it is a "good thing", Thus, your freedom of speach shall stops where it starts hurting people
[not that I support at all the childish way l^Hamericans sue everybody for anything, but I am happy that racists saying are not allowed and can be condamned in France.]
As a child, we all knew the maxim, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names will never hurt me." Why have we forgotten it as adults?

Laurent Demailly writes:
Thus, your freedom of speach shall stops where it starts hurting people
It hurts me --- really --- to read that. You should be condemned. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Nobody's going to listen to you if you just | Mike McNally (m5@tivoli.com) | | stand there and flap your arms like a fish. | Tivoli Systems, Austin TX | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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