Identity database, another attempt...
Well, you ungrateful wretches objected to our great employment database and national ID card plans when they were presented as a means of immigration control. How about this, then: We need an employment-tracking database and licenses for everything so we can crack down on "deadbeat dads." Now that sounds more plausible, doesn't it! Please? We really want to track you closely. It's for your own good, you know. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AP reported on 10/12/95: Deadbeat parents beware: Pay up or lose your license. And not just your driver's license. Your hunting, fishing, trapping, boating, occupational and professional licenses may be taken away too. That's the promise that Congress, intensifying the fight against parents who refuse to support their children, intends to send to millions of deadbeats as it writes final legislation to transform the nation's anti-poverty programs. ... Central to [House and Senate proposals ...] is a requirement that every state have a program to revoke or restrict the licenses of parents who fail to pay, along with a central registry to track new hiring and match employment records with child support obligations. ... [Can you say "10th Amendment," Robert Dole? I knew you could! You are against this, aren't you Bob? Bob? Bob??!!] The Department of Health and Human Services ... estimates that if every state had a license revocation program in place, child support collections would grow by $2.5 billion over 10 years. [During which time the federal government will spend $20,000 billion. Relative peanuts, in other words.] According to HHS, 32 states and Puerto Rico now have laws on the books to restrict or revoke driving privileges and professional, occupational or sporting licenses. ... ^^^^^^^^^^ [Note that driving, necessary for living in most places, is now a *privilege* granted by the government. In other words, *living* is a government-granted privilege.] Paula Roberts, a child support expert with the Center for Law and Social Policy, a liberal research and advocacy group in Washington, said license revocation programs can be effective -- but only if states have the necessary computers in place. ... Essay questions for extra credit: (1.) Explain how an advocate of the proposed system of monitoring and control could be considered "liberal." Or "conservative." (2.) How many (ab)uses of this system are possible and how long will it take for them to be implemented? (3.) Compare and contrast this plan with the Soviet internal passport / labor book system.
On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Brad Dolan wrote:
restrict or revoke driving privileges and professional, occupational or sporting licenses. ... ^^^^^^^^^^
[Note that driving, necessary for living in most places, is now a *privilege* granted by the government. In other words, *living* is a government-granted privilege.]
Luckily other governments will still grant you driving licenses so you just have to take a foreign trip. It's clear that the Federal Job Licensing system is meant to be extended to denial of work rights for deadbeat dadism, tax evasion, overdue library books, whatever. Certainly encourages self employment. DCF "Do you have a moral right to register your kid. Wait till he grows up and ask him if he wants to be registered."
[ Stuff about nat'l DB to track "deadbeat dads" removed ]
(3.) Compare and contrast this plan with the Soviet internal passport / labor book system.
Not really related to the deadbeat dads thing, but we got a notice that the US DOT has mandated that all air passengers must present a gov't issue photo ID with a name that matches that on your ticket. In addition it says that passengers should: * be prepared to answer questions about their bags. * be prepared to open the trunk of their car. Goodbye freedom, hello police state. --- Fletch __`'/| fletch@ain.bls.com "Lisa, in this house we obey the \ o.O' ______ 404 713-0414(w) Laws of Thermodynamics!" H. Simpson =(___)= -| Ack. | 404 315-7264(h) PGP Print: 8D8736A8FC59B2E6 8E675B341E378E43 U ------
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Not really related to the deadbeat dads thing, but we got a notice that the US DOT has mandated that all air passengers must present a gov't issue photo ID with a name that matches that on your ticket. In addition it says that passengers should:
* be prepared to answer questions about their bags. * be prepared to open the trunk of their car.
Have you flown recently? They now ask you this scripted question about whether you have been approached by anyone you don't know since arriving at the airport, and warn you not to accept anything from a stranger or leave your carry-on baggage unattended until you board the plane. The ticket agent told me it was a "new FAA regulation". I hadn't flown anywhere for a few years. Anyone know how long this has been happening?
Goodbye freedom, hello police state.
I wonder how long before I need a passport to cross a state line... OBsecurity: Both directions, I had to carry a PC-Bus servo controller card. It's not nice to x-ray an EPROM, so I had it hand-inspected. I wouldn't let them open the static bag without a strap. Both times, the guard gave it a casual glance and passed it through. In San Antonio, they x-rayed the box while I held the card. This particular card assembly is pretty large. A dummied version would have a sizeable hidden compartment. - -- Roy M. Silvernail [ ] roy@cybrspc.mn.org PGP Public Key fingerprint = 31 86 EC B9 DB 76 A7 54 13 0B 6A 6B CC 09 18 B6 Key available from pubkey@cybrspc.mn.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMH7lbBvikii9febJAQFS6gQAhnHW0IVAepxlmQ8rt48RCciYVo2KVUyI q0fI3jwYxTcRIlNeqrfsxHiWY9gqvb7OtO9K9S30Y319P+THFhdx6hY6i2n4CM9m iUWzv+usUZzgnIxa2l2cpcviBIY8p2ggc/gad9lV3hooIgH1jAzHYpMXIzRuE6bw Yh2AoVI/Wrc= =RwHs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
Have you flown recently? They now ask you this scripted question about whether you have been approached by anyone you don't know since arriving at the airport, and warn you not to accept anything from a stranger or leave your carry-on baggage unattended until you board the plane. The ticket agent told me it was a "new FAA regulation". I hadn't flown anywhere for a few years. Anyone know how long this has been happening?
This probably dates back to the time when a palestinian group tried to blow up an El Al flight from London by persauding the pregnant Irish girlfriend of one to carry a package for a friend. Flights from London have had the spiel ever since. El Al still does the best pre-flight screening (much more detailed questioning, and the security staff actually listen to the answers. Simon ---- (defun modexpt (x y n) "computes (x^y) mod n" (cond ((= y 0) 1) ((= y 1) (mod x n)) ((evenp y) (mod (expt (modexpt x (/ y 2) n) 2) n)) (t (mod (* x (modexpt x (1- y) n)) n))))
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