I think it's a bad idea to require signatures on the list, or even to penalize people who don't use them. People aren't signing their posts because it's too much of a hassle to do it from a dial up, netcom style, account, not because they're insufficiently committed to the cause.

The real solution is to try to build tools which will make it so easy to use crypto that there's simply no reason not to do it.

I whole heartedly agree! Thank you Alex for pointing out the real issue. ObPlug: (I am currently writing a handbook on what intellectual property law can be used for when developing crypto systems, either to make a profit or to keep them free from commercial entanglement.) Tomorrow (San Diego Cypherpunks meet at Hops) I was planning on asking Phil Karn what Qualcomm was planning with Eudora as far as any PGP hooks, or if we need to to get of our rear-ends and design a mail application that will implement PGP for all the SLIP users on Windoze & MacN'trash systems. Sure there are those of us who can use LINUX and various scripts to bring PGP into our mailers, but a well built app that would get PGP to the lay people who want their privacy is needed. So, Cypherpunks write code. o Get off our collective asses and write something for: SLIP / PPP in windoze, mac, ( & warp?) o Make it free, widely available, and either stand alone, or compatible with Eudora. o Collectively demand that Qualcomm do something or else... o See if there are any software companies willing to take up the challenge. o Meanwhile, see what works for people... Create a contest for who has the best system for ELM, PINE, EUDORA, etc... o What about windoze scripting? PCTools for windoze scripting? Other scripts? I am willing to help, but I'm in the middle of Law school finals so any help will be delayed... Adam -- PGP Key available on the keyservers. Encrypted E-mail welcome. SUB ROSA: Confidential, secret, not for publication. -Black's Law Dictionary GJ/CS d H S:+ g? p? au+ a- w+ v++ c++ UL+ UU+ US+ P+ 3 E N++ k- W++ M-- V po- Y++ t++ 5+ jx R G' tv+ b+++ D++ B--- E+++ u** h-- f++ r+ n+ y++--