ADMIN: proposed new policy on the mailing list
Cypherpunks is an experiment in anarchy whose participants share overlapping concerns with respect to privacy and cryptography. One of the commonly shared goals of the participants in this group is to change the technical context of the political debate about cryptography. This goal has not been reached, nor even has very close approach been made as yet. I believe that we have been successful in inculcating, at least in ourselves, a set of values and attitudes toward encryption . Unfortunately this mental presence has not blossomed into actual culture and practice, although we have attempted and practiced. Not all systems are self-organizing, and ours is not dissipative in the right way. Therefore in true micro-Keynesian fashion, I am considering creating an artificial inducement toward cryptography on this list. You will be, of course, free not to participate. The rule I am considering is the following: Digitally sign your articles or their transmission will be delayed. In terms of email privacy, we have not yet even reached the level where content encryption is standard. Since software to make digital signatures is almost always the same software needed for encryption, and likewise for signature verification and decryption, an inducement to sign one's posts will be also an inducement to encrypt. At the very least it requires some change in the status quo of one's own email system. The hampering above will not be outright rejection, since the cost of rejection creates a step function to participation, an insurmountable hurdle for most of us. Rather I am considering hampering posts by delaying their transmission, by destroying some of their timeliness. Timeliness, as I analyze it, will be one of the few things that have economic worth in a post-copyright environment. Delaying unsigned posts does not prevent people from participating, merely from getting very close the topicality of discussion. If you are debating delayed against an undelayed correspondent, you will be at a disadvantage, as your points may be immediately responded to, but the other's points will stand unopposed for longer. Truth, in other words what _you_ believe, might triumph eventually, but practical epistemology is more a matter of rhetoric than of validity. Nor does it prevent occasional use of the forum by lurkers and learners. The first article on any new subject has very little time value, rhetorically, but the question still gets asked. Furthermore, it will tend to slow down debate, at least for a while. My initial thoughts are that the delay should be about six hours, which would limit the number of salient responses of the unverifiable to about one per topic per day. As more and more people begin to sign their posts, that delay would be increased. I have considered more sophisticated schemes, such as allowing automatic delayed moderation, which sends you back a ticket that allows immediate posting, but after some number of hours, or perhaps longer delays for unsigned repsonses to signed articles, but I think that a simpler system will work better, certainly at the outset where people are coming to grips with delay's effect on the discussion. I invite discussion of this proposal on the list itself. If you only wish to express approval or disapproval, that is, to "vote", please do so only in private e-mail to me. I welcome further analysis of this idea as well as evaluations of its desirability or odiousness in your own value system. Unsigned, Eric
Digitally sign your articles or their transmission will be delayed.
Then the messages that I compose on this host will simply have to be delayed, as I still refuse to keep my private key on an "open" system. In fact, the _only_ time in which I attach a digital signature to any of my messages is from my PC at home. Call me a prude, but this is a fact of life I'm sure you will encounter with other folks as well. Cheers. _____________________________________________________________________________ Paul Ferguson Mindbank Consulting Group fergp@sytex.com Fairfax, Virginia USA ferguson@icp.net
The problem that I see with this policy is that how are you going to verify that the signature at the bottom is valid? Anyone can generate PGP keys pointing to anything. Are you going to collect keys from subscribers? What about spoofing keys so that they apear valid, yet aren't? I'm just curious to how this is going to be achieved. I assume you don't want to moderate the list (reading and approving everything). -Matt (panzer@drown.slip.andrew.cmu.edu) (I would have signed this, but I lost the message on how to get pgp to sign and leave the message in plaintext) -------------Included Message--------------------- On Sat, 23 Oct 1993, Eric Hughes wrote:
You will be, of course, free not to participate. The rule I am considering is the following:
Digitally sign your articles or their transmission will be delayed.
Digitally sign your articles or their transmission will be delayed.
Under such a policy, I would be strongly tempted to move my PGP use to jarthur (a public Unix box) rather than write software to snarf text across a serial line, encrypt it, and spit it back. As I'm loath to give up my secret key in this way, I guess I'd just take the delay. While an incentive plan is a nice idea, I think most people on the list would like to sign their messages. Those who are prevented from doing so are probably not going to be pushed the other way by a delay of a few hours. Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu
Hi, re the proposed policy: I read mail offline, usually. The mailer I use, an ms-dos mailer, doesn't support signing mail. It has some allowance for a .sig file, but I can't get it to work. I sometimes reply online, a I am doing now. If I reply online, I can sign messages, I think, using elm. Although I have no idea at all how to do this, but I'm sure I can find out. However, if I use my offline mailer, my mail will be delayed. Normally, this wouldn't be a problem, but what if I came across something urgent, wrote a reply, and uploaded it immediately? Anyone else in this situation? Dwayne. Who is going to get in touch with the author of this mailer Real Soon Now, he thinks.... (Dwayne Jones-Evans IRC: ddraig ) ( SCA: Cynon Yscolan ap Myrddin, Stormhold, Lochac, West) PGP public key available. finger me. be gentle. internet---> hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au
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