Re: McVeigh? Nimrods.....
On Wed, Jun 04, 1997 at 03:47:02PM -0700, Lucky Green wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Chris DiBona wrote:
Do these children who may be important to you have parents who "care" about them enough to scour the planet to find a good,safe day care that isn't withing the blast radius or shooting range of :
[list of public places elided]
Perhaps taking your kids to day care in a downtown area is not a very good idea in the first place. But putting them into daycare inside a federal building is criminally stupid.
Some on this list will even say that the kids' deaths fortunately reduced the negative impact their parents can have on the gene pool.
Yes, some pathetic strange little boys swaggering around in never-never land. Lonely individuals with shriveled hearts, stunted morals, and feverish imaginations, who brag contemptuously of their superiority over "sheeple", and boast of their heroic roles in the coming revolution. And thank you, Lucky, for enlightening me -- it isn't the OKC bomber who is the criminal, it's the people who put their children in the daycare center! There's only one punishment suitable for such "criminally stupid" behavior! Lock and Load! -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
At 9:14 PM -0700 6/4/97, frissell@panix.com wrote:
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Yes, some pathetic strange little boys swaggering around in never-never land. Lonely individuals with shriveled hearts, stunted morals, and feverish imaginations, who brag contemptuously of their superiority over "sheeple", and boast of their heroic roles in the coming revolution.
I hope you're not referring to Lucky, or Time May, or me. Lucky has a successful career in a computer-related field. Tim was exceedingly well- integrated into the work force at Intel and did a great deal of valuable and lucrative work for them. I am married with four children (who I never sent to a government school) and get along well with a host of friends and co-workers. I have achieved a modicum of success as a writer and speaker. I happen to be a neo-victorian myself.
Why is it that when someone like Al Gore expresses strong and extremist views as he did in "Earth in the Lurch" (or whatever that book was called) no one ever claims that he is " a pathetic strange little boy swaggering around in never-never land. A lonely individual with a shriveled heart, stunted morals, and a feverish imagination."
Like I said, Duncan, Kent Crispin is in that terminal phase of simply insulting the list in any way he can...which is apparently pretty feebly. Perhaps he can contract with Vulis to use the 'bot Vulis uses to post his daily ASCII art insults. Imagine it: Everyday we could see a Crispingram: "Timmy Peter Pan May is just another strange little boy swaggering around in never-never land." By the way, this is why I urge some caution in criticizing Phill Hallam-Baker. Phill is a liberal and anti-gun person, and perhaps even a Clinton supporter. (Gasp.) But he, while as abrasive on his issues as we are on ours, seldom resorts to the kind of puerile criticism Crispin uses. Hell, some of my best conversational friends are commies! (Dave Mandl, for example) (Those who have a deeper understanding of anarchy, whether anarcho-capitalism or more leftist variants, tend to understand that the underlying similarities are greater than the differences. Though I favor unrestricted free markets, I understand that corporate agents, like Microsoft, PGP, and RSA, will seek advantage anyway they can, and are a threat in any statist system. Anarchy lessens their power in more ways than one. I will continue to fight my left-anarchist friends on issues like gun control and freedom of association, but we seem to agree that reducing power of central governments remains a good thing.) --Tim There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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(Those who have a deeper understanding of anarchy, whether anarcho-capitalism or more leftist variants, tend to understand that the underlying similarities are greater than the differences. Though I favor unrestricted free markets, I understand that corporate agents, like Microsoft, PGP, and RSA, will seek advantage anyway they can, and are a threat in any statist system. Anarchy lessens their power in more ways than one. I will continue to fight my left-anarchist friends on issues like gun control and freedom of association, but we seem to agree that reducing power of central governments remains a good thing.)
There is an old Middle East saying: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" While such a philosphy can be quite effective taticly it can pose risks strategicly. A good example of this was our support of Iraq durring the Iraq-Iran war even though Iraq had traditionally been a soviet allie. This came back to haut us durring the gulf War as our previous "friend" became a new enemy when truly they were always an enemy and the freindship was temporarily created through a common "enemy". Many other examples of this can be seen in US foreign relations. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5ZL/49Co1n+aLhhAQEYcAP/W+CEeEHncKbWTBNsFysc2qMYTcqgrP+q 0ZJhQjrjQUbkb6BtNmLhL6KfGylOjE+Pk0eQyaCz4/pID5xaQvHRbZwPNbMb0xNV G34l20+AR+z83MNW9w/b8C3s4AfS7PwPKxM01LmgxjQNQryKOcL9zhAidou+RWDj +R+HCzSPE4k= =OWy9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Some on this list will even say that the kids' deaths fortunately reduced the negative impact their parents can have on the gene pool.
Yes, some pathetic strange little boys swaggering around in never-never land. Lonely individuals with shriveled hearts, stunted morals, and feverish imaginations, who brag contemptuously of their superiority over "sheeple", and boast of their heroic roles in the coming revolution.
Very poetic, forgive me if I fail to see the point.
And thank you, Lucky, for enlightening me -- it isn't the OKC bomber who is the criminal, it's the people who put their children in the daycare center! There's only one punishment suitable for such "criminally stupid" behavior! Lock and Load!
Now this to me is an ideal example of the sort of twisting of other peoples points that is typical of Kents dialogue. Lucky actually said that the parents were stupid putting their children in that daycare centre. They were, the parents have no-one to blame but themselves for the fact that their children were unnecessarily placed at risk. however, this neither makes the parents guilty of any crime nor does it absolve McVeigh, or whoever did it, from blame. Lucky was right, the removal of those children from the gene pool was probably advantageous, that does not make it right, simply a judgement after the fact. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul@crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul@cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"
Is that you, Elsworth Toohey? After all these years...?
Yes, some pathetic strange little boys swaggering around in never-never land. Lonely individuals with shriveled hearts, stunted morals, and feverish imaginations, who brag contemptuously of their superiority over "sheeple", and boast of their heroic roles in the coming revolution.
And thank you, Lucky, for enlightening me -- it isn't the OKC bomber who is the criminal, it's the people who put their children in the daycare center! There's only one punishment suitable for such "criminally stupid" behavior! Lock and Load!
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