Ponzi Schemes (was Re: non-censorous spam control)
Vulis wrote:
A similar scheme in Russia by an organizaton called "MMM", run by the Mavrodi bothers, left a large number of "investors" holding the bag. Interestingly, one of the Mavrodi brothers is now in Russian jail (awaiting trial), and the other one is still running a pyramid scheme: he accepts "voluntary donations" from an investor, in return for a "voluntary donation" at a later date whose amount and time are not guaranteed and depend on the "donations" collected from others. The Russian government does not shut down Mavrodi's latest operation so far, claiming it's not "fraud" since he doesn't misrepresent the source of his returns nor the risks involved. Reportedly so far he's getting oodles of investors and pretty good returns. Eventually of course his scheme will collapse, but the "investors" who got in and out early enough will have made good money.
Can you say "Wall Street?" Because that's exactly how it operates right now. The money being thrown at the stock market today is not "investing," it's simply a pyramid scheme.
A similar scheme recently brought down the government of Albania. Reportedly the investors who got in late in the game and didn't get the returns they expected (or actually lost their investments) demanded that the gubmint reimburse them for their losses (by taxing the money from the more intelligent Albanians). When the idiots want the gubmint to protect them from their own idiocy, the gubmint happily uses this excuse to screw not only those who would fleece the idiots, but everyone.
This is what happened when the US Savings & Loans Banks in the Southwest failed in the 80's. All of the people who lost money were bailed out by the FDIC, which of course is funded by taxpayer money. The final figure was approximately $500 billion, depending on whose estimates you believe. So the idiots who didn't do their homework and put money into a bogus S&L were bailed out by everyone else who was smart enough to know better. And, of course, the fraudsters (one of whom was the son of then Vice-President George Bush) got away with a slap on the wrist. Go figure. MoneyMonger
still running a pyramid scheme: he accepts "voluntary donations" from an investor, in return for a "voluntary donation" at a later date whose amount and time are not guaranteed and depend on the "donations" collected from others. The Russian government does not shut down Mavrodi's latest operation so far, claiming it's not "fraud" since he doesn't misrepresent the source of his returns nor the risks involved. Reportedly so far he's
A cheerful Ponzi scheme from the late 70s was the Church Of Hakeem, in Oakland. Hakeem Rasheed preached a lot about Prosperity!, and how it could be Yours! if you just had Faith! It cost about $300 to be a priest, and once you were a priest, you could lend the church money and get it back at some outrageously high interest rate, like 100% per month. Believers were making scads of money, just hand over fist. Everybody was shocked when the church was robbed of several hundred thousand dollars one night, and shortly thereafter Hakeem was so depressed he skipped town, the poor guy. (huh huh, huh huh, depressed, huh huh) On the other hand, the Social Security Trust Fund is just fine, thanks. Fortunately, while encryption isn't getting blamed for Ponzi schemes yet, anonymity is getting some of the fallout from spammers who are running them from behind forged mail headers, so we could still get hosed. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts@ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)
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