I recently received email from Whit Diffie regarding some concerns he had about the "Big Brother Inside(tm)" stickers. I asked for and received permission to repost the message to the group, however I seemed to have misplaced (ie, hit the wrong button) it, so I'll paraphrase. Firstly, he suggested that I wait before ordering/distributing the stickers because without clipper phones to put them on they may very well be stuck in random places, and that could reduce the impact of a good, focused, silmultanius distribution. Secondly, He asked that I try to add some more substantial information to the stickers, such as a short note that basicly says this phone is pre-tapped, use at your own risk. After some thought, I sent in the order anyway. My reasons for this action were that 1) Some people stated that they had already sent me money, and I wouldn't want to change the facts of the matter after the money was sent, and 2) Any more substantial information would increase the size of the sticker, which would make it more visible, harder to place, and would anger the owners of the property on which it was placed substantialy more. I think it is appropriate at this time to restate the reason that these stickers have been (are being) produced/distributed. Everyone on the list is familiar I'm sure with the clipper wiretap chip and the issues surrounding it. Everyone on the list I am equaly sure has seen at one time or another the "Intel Inside" stickers on Ibm and Dell and other computers, and in ads for those computer and ads paid for by intel itself. It is an image seen by a signifigant portion of the population each and every day. I was in a local computer store not too long ago when I heard a man ask a salesperson "Does this one have intel inside?" and I'm sure that he had not a clue in the world what that meant. Everyone on this list I'm fairly certain has either read George Orwell's famous book, _1984_, or has at least been exposed to it's influence of society through the introduction of such words and phrases as "Big Brother", "Thought Police", "Doublespeak", etc.. Horible images of goverment invasions of privacy, mass media mind control, and legalslation run amok come to mind quite easily... Our Big Brother Inside sticker has been designed to look as much like the intel logo as possible, without breaking any copyright laws or anything like that. But instead of conveying the message "This product contains parts built by a company you know and trust" our sticker seems to say, "This product is a tool built by the goverment to keep tabs on your personal life". It is intended to be descretely applied to telephones, faxes, modems, computers, and other devices containing the clipper or capstone chips or other key-escrowed technology. It is intended to be seen by those who would potentialy purchase such items, as an attempt to dissuade them from doing so. It is intended _NOT_ to be seen by the owners of establishments selling said items, as that would lead to thier removal at least; prosocution at most. I think another sticker, in brighter colors and containing informative text, could be usefull for applying to clipper phones etc that have already been deployed; a use at your own risk type thing. The time for that has not yet come. I hope I didn't leave anything out, Please use discretion regarding what messages get sent to the list and what can be handled through email. BTW; My total of sticker orders and contributions (not counting today) is: 6875 stickers sold $166 contributed I sent a check for $145 today, so everything past that is going to my cost to mail out the stickers to the people who ordered them. Any funds left over wil be used as a starting point for some cypherpunks tshirts, and proceeds from the shirts (if I ever do them) will go to the eff. Happy Hunting, -Chris ______________________________________________________________________________ Christian Douglas Odhner | "The NSA can have my secret key when they pry cdodhner@indirect.com | it from my cold, dead, hands... But they shall pgp 2.3 public key by finger | NEVER have the password it's encrypted with!" "If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns." -E. Abbey My opinions are shareware. For a registered copy, send me 15$ in DigiCash. Key fingerprint = 58 62 A2 84 FD 4F 56 38 82 69 6F 08 E4 F1 79 11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------