Re: Airport security [no such thing]
Dr.Dimitry Vulius K.O.T.M. wrote:
Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net> writes:
Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
Dr.D. Vulius K.O.T.M. wrote:
Nurdane Oksas <oksas@asimov.montclair.edu> writes:
But think about this: suppose there is a couple, bob@household.com, and alice@household.com. Suppose that Rev. Mallory does not like bob. Mallory forges a lot of emails like "I can still taste your sperm on my lips", that appear to originate from Cindy@phonesex.org. Then, promptly, Mallory sends an anonymous alert to alice@household.com, warning her about naughty email activities of bob. Alice gets mad at him and divorces him. How would bob protect himself against such developments?
Frame-ups are as old as time. The ones that work the best are those that are the most believable. O.J., for example. Unless Alice is unusually flaky or paranoid, she'll consider her options against the time she has invested in Bob.
Here's an interesting twist of Sandfort's moderation policy.
My article was crypto-relevant and flame-free and was tossed to cypherpunks-flames.
Igor's response to my article was also crypto-relevant and flame-free and was tossed to cypherpunks-flames.
Dale's response did not quote me, so it made it to the censored list.
Is it really true that my response was tossed out as flames? It was crypto-relevant. BTW, this is a more than perfect illustration why rejections based on "shitstrings" are completely inappropriate for moderating. I have nothing again "grey lists", when moderators are alerted when a message containing certain suspicious word arrives (the way it's done in STUMP), but am opposed to autorejections (unless mods are mailbombed). - Igor.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 ichudov@algebra.com wrote:
Is it really true that my response was tossed out as flames?
a) NO posts have been "tossed out." Your response was sorted into the "flames" list--not because it flamed directly, but because it was part of the threat started by Dimitri in which he engaged in flaming. b) While I realize this is a judgment call that others might dispute, I don't think it makes much sense to post to the moderated list only the parts of threads that are not flamish. I would rather keep thread intact on one list or the other. There are exceptions. I put one of Dimitri's post on this thread into the moderated list because the point he made did not require particular knowledge of the entire thread and had non-inflamatory relevance.
It was crypto-relevant.
Perhaps, but crypto-relevance is NOT the criterion by which I am moderating the list. I am sort on the basis of (a) emotional, non-relevant personal attacks on list members, and (b) spam. I believe (and so far the postings have borne me out) that in an atmosphere of civil, reasoned discourse, the relevance issue will largely take care of itself. By the way, contrary to what Dimitri has alleged, I have posted every message from him in which he was able to restrain himself with regard to gratuitous insults and/or spam. In other words, the set of Dimitri posts that have appeared on the moderated list is not the null set. By the way number two, this response will be posted to the flames list and NOT the moderated list. Even though I have not flamed anyone, two things keep it off the moderated list: (1) my policy about keeping thread on the same list where possible (see above), and (2) basic precepts of fairness. Though Dimitri has stated-- without a scintilla of evidence--that my moderation policy would be used to attack him and not give him the opportunity or forum to defend himself, I am keeping ALL personal attacks off the moderated list. Those who are subscribed to the "flam" postings can see numerous unkind posts about Dimitri that I have not allowed on the moderated list. That policy applies to me just as much as to anyone else. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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