Re: Intolerance on the list
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I also agree with Russell. Although the organization for which you work may be unnerving to some, they should be willing to give you a shot at being an ok kinda guy as a freethinking individual. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ <Stuff deleted>
Keep asking your questions and thinking freely! Jim ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I fully encourage people to think freely, but I absolutely refuse to encourage people to become "Free Thinkers". I've found that so-called "Free Thinkers" reveal themselves to be, through their ideas and literature, to be nothing more than narrow-minded empiricist zealots, hostile beyond reason to religion and anything that cannot be apprehended directly by the human senses in general. IMHO, of course. Ken ============================================================================= Ken Kirksey kkirksey@world.std.com Mac Guru & Developer - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harassment is a power issue, and power is neither male nor female. Whoever is behind the desk has the opportunity to abuse power, and women will take advantage as often as men. - Michael Crichton (in _Disclosure_) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbZWuusZNYlu+zuBAQEQdgP+IVihMlRPcB4I2cgU+c03GyrStkXjgDOj ck+18D0aXAFmvWIgQSCm/KJYpuQBxRFv5AhrfeewdKZveicWy6ifM0EjD7NQq1tv 0KtB07u0JPzpx6eVMFEtq8m/BMWIwdeLbD0vyiBpSNlAVm8vkrZSC4CtEcNZYGlG LJpf5IU3DkI= =62e9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
I also agree with Russell. Although the organization for which you work may be unnerving to some, they should be willing to give you a shot at being an ok kinda guy as a freethinking individual. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ <Stuff deleted>
Keep asking your questions and thinking freely! Jim ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I fully encourage people to think freely, but I absolutely refuse to encourage people to become "Free Thinkers". I've found that so-called "Free Thinkers" reveal themselves to be, through their ideas and literature, to be nothing more than narrow-minded empiricist zealots, hostile beyond reason to religion and anything that cannot be apprehended directly by the human senses in general. IMHO, of course.
What you say is reasonably correct, but you obviously don't agree with or understand the hostility. Free Thinkers, which include atheists (weak, strong, ...), agnostics, church/state separatists, etc., are sometimes hostile to religion because religion is hostile to them. It constantly puts down those who don't believe and represents a 'dumbing' force in society, IMHO. I try to be tolerant of religion, people's beliefs, etc., except when they cause censorship or other perceived oppression to those I care about. And this from a thread on tolerance on the list!!! The name 'Freethinker', BTW, comes from the fact that religion and sometimes society wants to tell you what to think, what's real, what you should be doing, etc. A consious sentient being should be deciding those things on its own. Ack... followups to alt.atheism...
Ken
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being an ok kinda guy as a freethinking individual. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ I fully encourage people to think freely, but I absolutely refuse to encourage people to become "Free Thinkers". I've found that so-called "Free Thinkers" reveal themselves to be, through their ideas and literature, to be nothing more than narrow-minded empiricist zealots, hostile beyond reason to religion and anything that cannot be apprehended directly by the human senses in general. IMHO, of course.
If there is a group calling itself "Free Thinkers" then I'll revise my comments. I was unaware of any such group and meant only that folks should think for themselves and not just blindly follow their "herd instincts" (Had to work that side thread in here :). Sorry if I made an unwitting reference to any group. Jim -- Tantalus Inc. Bringing people together Jim Sewell-KD4CKQ 2407 N. Roosevelt Blvd. to have a little fun. Internet: jims@mpgn.com Key West, FL 33041 CIS: 71061,1027 (305) 293-8100 "We keep coding and coding and coding..."
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being an ok kinda guy as a freethinking individual. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ I fully encourage people to think freely, but I absolutely refuse to encourage people to become "Free Thinkers". I've found that so-called "Free Thinkers" reveal themselves to be, through their ideas and literature, to be nothing more than narrow-minded empiricist zealots, hostile beyond reason to religion and anything that cannot be apprehended directly by the human senses in general. IMHO, of course.
If there is a group calling itself "Free Thinkers" then I'll revise my comments. I was unaware of any such group and meant only that folks should think for themselves and not just blindly follow their "herd instincts" (Had to work that side thread in here :). Sorry if I made an unwitting reference to any group.
Jim
To clarify who uses this label: (Sorry to reply again in this venue.) (In the two years on/off this list, this is the first offsubject...) The members of the FFRF (Freedom From Religion Foundation), which exists mainly, IMHO, as a support group for those who feel oppressed in some way or who want to counteract the spreading tendancies of religion. The members tend to like the label 'Freethinker' for themselves and have pins as such. The group is made up of atheists (strong & weak), agnostics, 'non-practicing Jews', PFLAG members (a group that falls under the religiously persecuited label), and church/state separatists (many of which may be somewhat religious). If you want to find a comprehensive news reporting of priest transgressions, for instance, their newsletter gathers info from all over the US.
Tantalus Inc. Bringing people together Jim Sewell-KD4CKQ 2407 N. Roosevelt Blvd. to have a little fun. Internet: jims@mpgn.com Key West, FL 33041 CIS: 71061,1027 (305) 293-8100 "We keep coding and coding and coding..."
Yea, I'm a FreeThinker. I find it impossible to believe in religion. Even when I wanted to, I just couldn't. I have a sound, rational view of life, morals, and goals. I'm happy. sdw -- Stephen D. Williams Local Internet Gateway Co.; SDW Systems 513 496-5223APager LIG dev./sales Internet: sdw@lig.net OO R&D Source Dist. By Horse: 2464 Rosina Dr., Miamisburg, OH 45342-6430 Comm. Consulting ICBM: 39 34N 85 15W I love it when a plan comes together Newbie Notice: (Surfer's know the score...) I speak for LIGCo., CCI, myself, and no one else, regardless of where it is convenient to post from or thru.
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