FC: More on Network Associates and its crypto-politics
--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: declan@mail.well.com Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:44:01 -0500 To: politech@vorlon.mit.edu From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com> Subject: FC: More on Network Associates and its crypto-politics Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-politech@vorlon.mit.edu Reply-To: declan@well.com X-Loop: politech@vorlon.mit.edu X-URL: Politech is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ Cabe Franklin <cabe.franklin@cbpr.com> forwards this statement from Wes Wasson, director of marketing for Network Associates' security division:
"NAI officially withdrew from the Key Recovery Alliance in late 1997. In May of 1998, NAI acquired Trusted Information Systems, which had been an active member of the KRA. NAI subsequently reliquished the leadership role TIS had taken in the organization. NAI Labs' TIS Advanced Research Division continues to monitor the KRA's activities from a technical perspective, but Network Associates in no way advocates mandatory key recovery." - Cabe Franklin (NAI PR) 415-975-2223
TIS supports export controls on encryption products. My article: http://www.well.com/user/declan/pubs/cwd.shadow.cryptocrats.0298.txt -Declan -------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to majordomo@vorlon.mit.edu with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Declan McCullagh wrote:
You're not a US corporation that hopes to use the same software domestically and abroad, for instance.
Good point. I was thinking from the point of view of an individual or small business. I'm glad I don't have any government contracts.
At 01:07 PM 11-18-98 -0700, Douglas L. Peterson wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
William -- your speculation may be true, but for now we can settle for fact: they do support export controls. It makes sense, too: export ctrls create an artificial market for key recovery crypto, which TIS will be happy to sell to you.
Wouldn't this only work if import controls were put in place? Right now there is very little to keep me from buying non-GAK software from someone other than TIS.
-Doug www.TheServerFarm.net
-Doug www.TheServerFarm.net
In <v04020a04b277c6d69429@[139.167.130.246]>, on 11/17/98 at 07:35 PM, Robert Hettinga <rah@shipwright.com> said:
TIS supports export controls on encryption products. My article: http://www.well.com/user/declan/pubs/cwd.shadow.cryptocrats.0298.txt
I doubt that TIS really cares one way or the other so long as they keep their fat government contracts. Of course those same contracts require keeping the government happy (ie: supporting GAK), TIS and others (being the corporate whores that they are) will sell out their own mothers (and the rest of us along with them) if it looked good on the bottom line. A real shame that PGP had to get mixed up with these vipers. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------
You're not a US corporation that hopes to use the same software domestically and abroad, for instance. At 01:07 PM 11-18-98 -0700, Douglas L. Peterson wrote:
Declan McCullagh wrote:
William -- your speculation may be true, but for now we can settle for fact: they do support export controls. It makes sense, too: export ctrls create an artificial market for key recovery crypto, which TIS will be happy to sell to you.
Wouldn't this only work if import controls were put in place? Right now there is very little to keep me from buying non-GAK software from someone other than TIS.
-Doug www.TheServerFarm.net
In <v04020a04b277c6d69429@[139.167.130.246]>, on 11/17/98 at 07:35 PM, Robert Hettinga <rah@shipwright.com> said:
TIS supports export controls on encryption products. My article: http://www.well.com/user/declan/pubs/cwd.shadow.cryptocrats.0298.txt
I doubt that TIS really cares one way or the other so long as they keep
William -- your speculation may be true, but for now we can settle for fact: they do support export controls. It makes sense, too: export ctrls create an artificial market for key recovery crypto, which TIS will be happy to sell to you. -Declan At 04:26 AM 11-18-98 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote: their fat government contracts. Of course those same contracts require keeping the government happy (ie: supporting GAK), TIS and others (being the corporate whores that they are) will sell out their own mothers (and the rest of us along with them) if it looked good on the bottom line.
A real shame that PGP had to get mixed up with these vipers.
-- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0
Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html ---------------------------------------------------------------
Declan McCullagh wrote:
William -- your speculation may be true, but for now we can settle for fact: they do support export controls. It makes sense, too: export ctrls create an artificial market for key recovery crypto, which TIS will be happy to sell to you.
Wouldn't this only work if import controls were put in place? Right now there is very little to keep me from buying non-GAK software from someone other than TIS. -Doug www.TheServerFarm.net
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