-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Perry responding to one of the points I made Said:
VACCINIA@uncvx1.oit.unc.edu says:
How true, yet the NSA also had a lot to lose by putting out a flawed backdoor in Skipjack which essentially negates much of this features (LEAF) value. They did so none the less.
All the evidence is that it was an accident. You contend, without evidence or even a rational reason, that they did it intentionally.
I do not contend this, I contend they were negligent in checking their work. That they were lax in their standards and that this lackadaisical attitude bespeakes arrogance. An arrogance that would allow them to think that they COULD put in a trapdoor (besides the LEAF) in Skipjack and easily get away with it.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I operate on evidence and the assumption that people behave in their self interest. NSA had nothing to gain by sabotaging their own efforts in this manner. Even if they had another back door it is worth their while to make the public back door as good as possible. The notion that they would have done it badly intentionally for no reason when doing it well would be easy is at the very least without evidence or even rational suspicion.
What would they possibly have to gain via such an act?
It would be in the NSA's self interest to have there own little door into Skipjack, wouldn't you say? Especially when the agency is quite satisfied that no one knows their algorithm. I don't see the evidence you are operating on, but will grant you the self interest part I mentioned above.
In addition, it is possible that the agency is not alarmed about their LEAF problems because they don't need to use it.
They may be able redesign the system before widespread deployment. Its also in their interest to play mistakes down. How do YOU know they aren't really embarassed?
Well, they did say so. But, I did agree with the play down mistakes position in the last post. Vaccinia@uncvx1.oit.unc.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLe/ZTT2paOMjHHAhAQHOCgP+MPt5QxnQF/2rbPpFWZi8t6iTb+6x45OF sHoC7nZ/yLBjMpn8SdR4Jzf36m2yndQcVVBPAVkfMOAJ0V+mAZcrCqH+jrZWuX55 4Z1/A3fkuFmIp3/7irGnQENQ4PBcWZb7gSihPk4Ytc4EjTKdIDc9U6T5xtx+FbT2 /+7D259kgLE= =WPJQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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All the evidence is that it was an accident. You contend, without evidence or even a rational reason, that they did it intentionally.
I do not contend this, I contend they were negligent in checking their work. That they were lax in their standards and that this lackadaisical attitude bespeakes arrogance. An arrogance that would allow them to think that they COULD put in a trapdoor (besides the LEAF) in Skipjack and easily get away with it.
The way I see it, the NSA guys/gals didn't notice/care about/correct the bug/hole because they felt they didn't need key escrow to intercept skipjack-encrypted communications. This in turn indicates to me that they have another, alternative method of access. Happy Hunting, -Chris ______________________________________________________________________________ Christian Douglas Odhner | "The NSA can have my secret key when they pry cdodhner @ indirect.com | it from my cold, dead, hands... But they shall pgp 2.3 public key by finger | NEVER have the password it's encrypted with!" cypherpunks WOw dCD Traskcom Team Stupid Key fingerprint = 58 62 A2 84 FD 4F 56 38 82 69 6F 08 E4 F1 79 11 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A government mandante for key-escrow encryption in all communication devices would be the information-age equivalent of the government requiring private citizens to quarter troups in their home. --David Murray PGP NSA ViaCrypt Phrack EFF #hack LOD/H 950 FBI MindVox ESN KC NUA murder QSD Hacker DEFCON SprintNet MCI AT&T HoHoCon DNIC TRW CBI 5ESS KGB CIA RSA Communist terrorist assassin encrypt 2600 NORAD missile explosive hack phreak pirate drug bomb cocain payment smuggle A.P. bullets semi-auto stinger revolution H.E.A.T. warheads porno kiddiesex export import customs deviant bribe corrupt White House senator congressman president Clinton Gore bootleg assasinate target ransom secret bluprints prototype microfilm agents mole mafia hashish everclear vodka TnaOtmSc Sony marijuana pot acid DMT Nixon yeltsin bosnia zimmerman crack knight-lightning craig neidorf lex luthor kennedy pentagon C2 cheyenne cbx telnet tymenet marcus hess benson & hedges kuwait saddam leader death-threat overlords police hitler furer karl marx mark tabas agrajag king blotto blue archer eba the dragyn unknown soldier catch-22 phoenix project biotech genetic virus clone ELINT intercept diplomat explosives el salvador m-16 columbia cartel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLfAqCuKc9MdneB1xAQHwWwQAg+I1uAqvfXt0IKwSx9f7K0eBPNjgd82y dx24ATGG+6DCnb1+3PXQ78fbs0j6d/HKdL4HgN0sD23IabB0S+JsDAkodSyCqYhi 2m3w2kHdr//EBu1JEq+Ny3oq/QUHeuarBljNJUr0yoxvNpamu73/KaXtxkfSx8qV JJGgmQ1Vd4k= =PE7w -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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