Um... Who worth talking to isn't? I have repeatedly requested that they block comp.os.ms-windows.announce and stanford.edu because we allow content they might find objectionable, but Milburn has REFUSED to do so. "We don't block sites just because some guy say so." He's bouncing all subsequent requet from me to block my own web site to my postmaster, i.e., me. I still think a counter-blocking approach is appropriate. If you run a popular web site, make it inaccessible to CyberSitter users. It's easy: <META NAME="Voluntary Content Rating" CONTENT="adult"> CyberSitter is the only program that understands "the VCR standard." -rich http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/