Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
snow <snow@smoke.suba.com> writes:
The parents are the ONLY ones who have a right to determin the welfare of their childern. If the parents determin that the risks of reaction to the innoculation outways the benifits that choice is their's and their's alone.
So, parents should be allowed to:
1) Beat their children on a daily basis, because it is good for them.
Indeed, in most cultures beating the shit out of one's children 9and women) every day is the norm. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Western Civ is a rare exception.
2) Refuse to educate their children _at all_ because Knowlege is the devils work.
Indeed, in most cultures until recently most people were never taught to read unless they intended to become priests.
3) Not clothe their children at all beause God Will Provide.
4) Teach their children how to perform Oral, Anal, and "straight" sex because they need to learn it someday?
Still very common in midwestern U.S.; less accepted elsewhere.
Extreme examples, true, but it is what you are saying.
5) castrating one's male children if they show any propensity to sing - in hopes that they'll become one of the few famous and successful male sopranos - viewed favorably in 18 and 19 centiry Italy. 6) teaching children bullshit about "god". What market force or natural selection discourages "abuse"? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <gcmT4D3w165w@bwalk.dm.com>, on 03/19/97 at 11:01 AM, dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said:
What market force or natural selection discourages "abuse"?
Well before the STATIST took over there was an unwritten Parent/Child contract. The parrent would raise and care for their children and in old age the parents would be taken care of by their children. This "contract" or "bond" has been distroyed by a multi-pronged attack by the STATE. - -- The STATE has usurped the power of the parents to raise their chlidren. - -- The STATE has taken the responsibility of the children to care for their parents in old age. -- The STATE has actively distroyed the two parent household with Welfair programs & making it "politicaly incorrect" for a woman to be a housewife not to mention thier EEO policies. It should be intresting to note that no one ever mentions the economic affect of doubling the number of workers compeeting for the same jobs by having women entering the workforce. Basic economics show that this drives down the rate of pay of all workers (suply & demand) making it quite hard for a man to support his family with 1 job enabling his wife to stay at home and raise their children. So even where you still have a two parent household the STATE winds up rasing the children because both parents are required to work just to survive. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii@amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: OS/2: The choice of the next generation. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 ES000000 iQCVAwUBMzAsaY9Co1n+aLhhAQEvuAQAmahZplHGIZeoX+plI6rBy0mqKYCt/C8E 18Rnt5VUoi/eRP6C2aOuq1slOYRDVNnXjGDhyrfOuJxboXViTPVGO229i8Igdhwg maRGf013TWkDVfKxCMsy3NYbd52PUwiosavHG7sxgApZVNeF+9jC2z59yP2fGaCm AHluy0UZMts= =mrpy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
"William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com> writes:
In <gcmT4D3w165w@bwalk.dm.com>, on 03/19/97 at 11:01 AM, dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said:
What market force or natural selection discourages "abuse"?
Well before the STATIST took over there was an unwritten Parent/Child contract. The parrent would raise and care for their children and in old age the parents would be taken care of by their children.
This "contract" or "bond" has been distroyed by a multi-pronged attack by the STATE.
- -- The STATE has usurped the power of the parents to raise their chlidren. - -- The STATE has taken the responsibility of the children to care for their parents in old age. -- The STATE has actively distroyed the two parent household with Welfair programs & making it "politicaly incorrect" for a woman to be a housewife not to mention thier EEO policies.
It should be intresting to note that no one ever mentions the economic affect of doubling the number of workers compeeting for the same jobs by having women entering the workforce. Basic economics show that this drives down the rate of pay of all workers (suply & demand) making it quite hard for a man to support his family with 1 job enabling his wife to stay at home and raise their children. So even where you still have a two parent household the STATE winds up rasing the children because both parents are required to work just to survive.
That's a very interesting observation. However as far as the children's responsibility to care for the aged parents, I'm not sure so if historically it's so clear cut. In most nomadic cultures, the aged and the infirm were just abandoned (left to die). There's plenty of evidence that in Mongolia and Cenral Asia when a parent became too old to care for himself, he would be left as the rest of the group moved on to new pastures - as late as 20th century when the productivity was high enough for them to care for the elderly. Does the tradition to kill of the elderly hurt the society? Perhaps - the elderly carry on the society's identity (folklore) and practical knowldge (what's behind that mountain, how does one tie a stone axe to the stick). For whatever reason, in most argicultural societies the elderly were not killed, but accordded respect (even if they weren't your parents). But in the last 50 years the medical technology has reached the heights never before seen in the history of mankind - we can spend a lot of resources to keep an old fart going for 30 or 40 years after he's stopped doing anything useful. If the STATE hadn't stepped in with Medicare in the US and similar programs in the socialist states in Europe, we'd see the papers filled with sob stories about an old fart who _could_ be kept alive in a semi-vegetable state at the cost of $200K/year and whose cold-hearted children refuse to remortgage their houeses to pay the doctors to do that. The US wastes unbelievable resources on extending the lives of people who are basically dead. That's one of the anchors that will eventually pull it under. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
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