HAPPY GUY FAWKES DAY!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled. Guy Fawkes and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment. The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed. I celebrate it because he tried. :-) S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed.
Not just the English- it was James 1 that nearly exploded. Also the plot was performed for sectarian reasons, rather than any sort of liberal ideals (The conspirators were all Catholic).Originally Bonfire Night was celebrated as a way of spreading and reinforcing anti-catholicism. Those Whacky Christians! Simon // It's not the rapture - we've sold you as meat to the Saucer People
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C'punks,
On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled. Guy Fawkes and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment.
The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed.
I celebrate it because he tried. :-)
A terrorist!!! Call the police!!
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Michael Craft wrote:
SANDY SANDFORT
On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled. Guy Fawkes and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment. The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed. I celebrate it because he tried. :-)
A terrorist!!! Call the police!!
Where would we be if he hadn't tried? I tend to agree with Sandy on this one. BTW, I am humor-impaired, so this might be a response taking your attempt at humor too seriously. In fact where would we be if a lot of other things hadn't been tried. George Boole, Charles Babbage, Allan Turing. They were laughed at/ scorned for trying. Aren't we all Guy Fawkes in a way? Cypherpunks I mean. I still have faith in us. I quote the cypherpunks manifesto: We don't care much if you don't approve of the software we write. We know that software can't be destroyed and ...shut down. Idealism and stretching things a bit, maybe, but there is a parallel to be drawn. How many of us use crypto illegally and don't care? How many of us care that it's illegal to use crypto and thats why we do it. How often have we seen this propelled overseas in the signatures of cypherpunks: RSA in 3 lines of PERL: #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) What is this saying? Well I know one guy who tried to uudecode it and find out. But really, it is in a way a Guy Fawkes thing... Big Bro's being irresponsible, immature, <your adjective here>. We must show BB that we do not condone it. Violence won't work. Yeah...next C'Punks meeting outside NSA HQ. Everybody bring your own bombs and guns. That would go over *really* well. But at least all the papers would write about us. So we're forced into something like this. Export a munition three times daily. Geez...BB could really get you hardcore. And what's even funnier: the whitehouse.gov autoresponder. Dear King Billy: I just exported a munition illegally. Have a nice day. And they don't care. Whitehouse just replies "Thanks. nice letter" So we, the peons are getting ignored again. We should do something to get noticed. I cried the day I got my drivers licence and social insurance number. THe gov't now knows who I am... for so many years I was a non-taxable non-entity who showed up occasionally as someone's dependant at tax time. Then, suddenly i was a swiftly accessible statistic. EVIL EVIL EVIL. So saying we salute those who tried makes us terrorists... no. Guy is much maligned... and it's a much more efecive way of changing the gov't than is on lowly ballot. :) Statistically that is. Gee this was almost on topic.... but really. Let's try... instead of complain. And those who have tried: I salute you. -- Chris Kuethe <ckuethe@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> LPGV Electronics and Controls http://www.ualberta.ca/~ckuethe/ RSA in 3 lines of PERL: #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)
SANDY SANDFORT
On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled. Guy Fawkes and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment.
Actually I think it was late on November 4 that the plot was foiled. Guy (Guido) Fawkes and 11 of this friends had rented a house next to the Houses of Parliament earlier that year and the group spent several months digging a tunnel from the basement of their house to the basement of the HoP. They moved barrels and barrels of gunpowder into the basement and left Guy Fawkes there along with a very long fuse on the night of November 4. The King (James I of England, who was also James VI of Scotland) was opening Parliament the following day. The plan was for Guy to light the fuse, escape through the tunnel, and the whole of the HoP would be blown up. There would be a catholic rebellion and a Catholic (I think Queen, my memory is failing at this point) monarch installed. [King Henry VIII had fallen out with the Pope over his many marriages (rather ironic as an earlier Pope had declared KH8 "defender of the faith", a title that is still used by the current Queen, because KH8 had written many articles defending the Catholic faith) and KH8 had helped to start the Church of England. Many loyal catholics wanted to return to papist control of religion.] For some reason (the speculation is either that one of the gang tipped off a friend who was a Member of Parliament (MP) and therefore expected to be at the opening and told him not to attend OR that the whole plot was concocted by the King to raise public support for him (King wasn't too popular at the time)), the plot was foiled. The Beefeaters (the guards who still wear their traditional uniform) searched the basement, saw barrels and barrels of gunpowder and a long fuse. At the end of the fuse was Guy Fawkes. They either did the search late on November 4, or early in the morning on the fifth. Guy was tortured for about 2 weeks. They used the water torture and dismembered a few parts of his anatomy. A same fate met the other conspirators that were captured alive. Guy's torture lasted about 2 weeks and then he was hung, drawn and quartered with his head put on the city walls for many months. He has hung, cut down before he was dead, drawn (large cuts made in the body with a sharp sword - makes the quartering easier on the horses) and then quartered (each limb tied to a strong horse and the horses then sending charging in four opposite directions). No-one knows why the celebrations started. Some speculate that the King ordered it to remember how close the rule of monarchy nearly came to an end. Traditional English celebrations are to have a large bonfire and put a guy (mannequin) on top. Kids would spend weeks making a realistic looking "guy" and used to (long time ago) put their guy on the streets a couple of days before asking for "a penny for the guy" to make money. Fireworks are also normal.
The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed. I celebrate it because he tried. :-)
A terrorist!!! Call the police!!
Where would we be if he hadn't tried?
Catholic. Please to remember The fifth of November Gunpowder, treason and plot I see no reason Why gunpowder treason Should ever be forgot [Traditional English nursery rhyme] Not quite sure the relevance to cryptography. I believe that at their "trial", some documents were produced - I doubt they were encrypted. -- Nicolas Hammond NJH Security Consulting, Inc. njh@njh.com 211 East Wesley Road 404 262 1633 Atlanta 404 812 1984 (Fax) GA 30305-3774
On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Nicolas J. Hammond wrote:
Not quite sure the relevance to cryptography. I believe that at their "trial", some documents were produced - I doubt they were encrypted.
Well, Mary Queen Of Scots's secret communications relied on concealing messages in bottles whilst under arrest. This channel was discovered, and all here messges were intercepted and read before being passed on. Security thru Obscurity just doesn't work...
In <Pine.SUN.3.91.961105123056.18719A-100000@crl.crl.com>, on 11/05/96 at 12:34 PM, Sandy Sandfort <sandfort@crl.com> said: .On this day in 1605 the Gunpowder Plot was foiled. Guy Fawkes .and his compatriots had intended to blow up Parliment. .The English celebrate it because Guy Fawkes failed. .I celebrate it because he tried. :-) I see, at heart you are still a little boy playing with fireworks? -- Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly, and for the same reason.
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