Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
Ray Arachelian writes:
Hell, at this point, my guess is that the mafia(s) doesn't use crypto, or that if it does, it can be caught via other means. A strong, well developed crypto system in use by the mafia would more than likely never happen... not until mobsters get into computers. Ditto for terrorists.
Sounds like an untapped market segment. In which periodicals should one advertise consulting services in order to cover the mobster market? Seriously, I imagine that organized crime, like any other business, uses computers. Their level of crypto usage could be impressive, given the incentives.
If they did use crypto, I suspect they wouldn't get caught. (For the paranoid, assuming they used crypto, and they didn't get caught, then the FBI or other TLA is doing the same as the gov't in Farenheight 451... pick someone else, and jail them. Otherwise, how do you explain all the jailbird mobsters?)
"There is no honor among thieves." Wiretaps, bugs, tails, informants, and good, old-fashioned, physical intimidation probably produce plenty of leads. I wasn't entirely facetious above about working for the mob, they probably pay well and don't bother with FICA and such. Plus there's that "family" atmosphere.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. If you reply to this message, your message WILL be *automatically* anonymized and you are allocated an anon id. Read the help file to prevent this. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi.
On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, Mole Rat wrote:
Sounds like an untapped market segment. In which periodicals should one advertise consulting services in order to cover the mobster market?
For those of the anonymous pay-me-in-(digitial/physical)-cash only underground types, yes.
Seriously, I imagine that organized crime, like any other business, uses computers. Their level of crypto usage could be impressive, given the incentives.
Speculation of course. No better, or closer to the truth either one way or the other? (Any of you anons work for the mob? if so, is the mob 'puter-happy?)
"There is no honor among thieves." Wiretaps, bugs, tails, informants, and good, old-fashioned, physical intimidation probably produce plenty of leads.
Two logical possibilities. 0. Mobsters still get caught and thrown in jail. 1. They don't use crypto at all. All records are in the open and searchable. LEA's wet dream. 2. They use strong crypto and can't be caught at all. LEA's nightmare. 3. They use crypto, but are still catchable (oops, the secret is out of the bag now, cancel all the computer related RICO nonsense.) 4. They don't use crypto, but keep no records, or hide them well. They can still be caught by LEA's. 3 & 4 are the most likely, and the LEA's shameful little secret. They cry wolf to set a wolf trap, but meanwhile they're hunting wabbits, not wolves.
I wasn't entirely facetious above about working for the mob, they probably pay well and don't bother with FICA and such. Plus there's that "family" atmosphere....
Errmm.. precisely the reason to stay away from them. While the first few parts of your above paragraph are quite tempting, the last sentence is deadly. You can't quit from your "family" without cement shoes. So I'll stay away from that line of ...um... work. =================================================================93======= + ^ + | Ray Arachelian | Amerika: The land of the Freeh. | \-_ _-/ | \|/ |sunder@escape.com| Where day by day, yet another | \ -- / | <--+-->| | Constitutional right vanishes. |6 _\- -/_ 6| /|\ | Just Say | |----\ /---- | + v + | "No" to the NSA!| Jail the censor, not the author!| \/ | =======/---------------------------------------------------------VI------/ / I watched and weeped as the Exon bill passed, knowing that yet / / another freedom vanished before my eyes. How soon before we see/ /a full scale dictatorship in the name of decency? While the rest / /of_the_world_fights_FOR_freedom,_our_gov'ment_fights_our_freedom_/
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