Several months ago, someone was talking about "True random numbers" and how to obtain them, and I (rather ignorantly) suggested they run a recorded sound through a program to record a 1 for every peak of volume over a certian threshold , and a 0 for every thing quieter.(I think i suggested a russeling tree, or a waterfall) Just adjust the threshold according to the volume of your sampling. (it was clear in my mind, even if I can't explain it here) Little did I know... Read phrack 54.5. -Kevlar <Webmaster@max-web.com> Does God know Peano Algebra? Or does she not care if strong atheists couldnt reason their way out of a trap made of Boolean presumptions? A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, but zero knowlege is absolutely subversive. Overspecialization breeds in weakness. It's a slow death. Beat your algorithms into swords, your dumb terminals into shields, and turn virtual machines into battlefields... Let the weak say, "I am strong" and question authority.