cowen@glia.biostr.washington.edu: though joe 6-pack might not vote, and likely won't even understand about the crypto of it all. he would understand the police listening in on his conversations with jill 6-pack. and not like it to well. i do think The police can listen in anyway... In fact, so can anyone. And it's much easier for the police to listen in now, than it will be after Clipper. Joe 6-pack may not really worry about Clipper. In fact, Joe 6-pack may even be persuaded by Dr. Denning that Clipper will only be bad for criminals. As much of the public does not necessarily share our objection to Clipper, which is a matter of *principle*, really. The only people who might be adversely affected by Clipper *in practice* are those who are lulled into a sense of false security that Clipperphones are secure, when they're not. Joe 6-pack is not even likely to *buy* a Clipperphone, he's quite happy talking to Jill over plaintext lines, and hasn't yet raised a furour over the LE right to (after 'due procedure') listen in to the *plaintext* lines. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "What is civilisation rishab@doe.ernet.in, rishab@dxm.ernet.in but a ribonucleic Voicemail +91 11 3760335; Vox/Fax/Data 6853410 hangover?" H-34C Saket New Delhi 110017 INDIA -----------------------------------------------------------------------
rishab@dxm.ernet,in writes -
The police can listen in anyway... In fact, so can anyone. And it's much easier for the police to listen in now, than it will be after Clipper.
Joe 6-pack may not really worry about Clipper. In fact, Joe 6-pack may even be persuaded by Dr. Denning that Clipper will only be bad for criminals.
As much of the public does not necessarily share our objection to Clipper, which is a matter of *principle*, really. The only people who might be adversely affected by Clipper *in practice* are those who are lulled into a sense of false security that Clipperphones are secure, when they're not. Joe 6-pack is not even likely to *buy* a Clipperphone, he's quite happy talking to Jill over plaintext lines, and hasn't yet raised a furour over the LE right to (after 'due procedure') listen in to the *plaintext* lines.
I'm fairly "lipped-sealed" when it comes to most chit-chat, keeping my big mouth shut. I ususally chime in when least expeected, and when most insidious. You, on the other end of the spectrum, seem to have a desire to open your mouth without a deep understanding of the encryption dilemma. That's okay. Cypherpunks objectives totally "fix" your subjective scenario(s). Dig around a bit... _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul Ferguson Internet Engineering tel: 703.904.2437 Herndon, Virginia USA internet: paul@hawk.sprintmrn.com
rishab@dxm.ernet.in says:
The police can listen in anyway... In fact, so can anyone. And it's much easier for the police to listen in now, than it will be after Clipper.
The police can listen in LEGALLY anyway. However, illegal monitoring, which they are used to being able to do, is becoming increasingly difficult. Illegal monitoring increasingly requires the active cooperation of phone company employees who may talk. Clipper, combined with the FBI Digital Telephony bill, would eliminate this difficulty, and in fact provide monitoring abilities to the police that they never had before. Perry
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