On 13 Sep 97 at 21:02, Fred Hapgood wrote:

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I think that *this* debate should be injected in the population and the *bogus* "national security" debate should be dismissed as, just that : bogus.

Never underestimate how weirded out people can get about "security". You don't know about this, living in Canada, but nobody in America can use a mailbox to mail a package now, just because one guy mailed a few bombs.

FUD. There is quite a difference between what Joe and Jane Average are and what the Lie-Box with 500 channels and most Lie-Leaflets will tell you. Sorry for my idealism, but I still believe that there is a quantum of Reason in the population. But you may be right here.

What are you saying here? That we should be arguing that encryption should be permitted because it will allow people to avoid paying taxes?

Duhhh, duhhhh, fucking duhhhh... Why do you make me spend my resources (time, efforts) on having me defend myself on something I never said? Just read my fucking text and this *is* what I said. Go read Hettinga's rants on his web site about how e-$ will impose itself and why and consider that I agree with him on it. [and here, I disregard the less-than-illuminated contradiction in terms] And if you want to get emotionnal :-) , just as I also agreed and defended Jim Bell's opinion that AP was "not-possible-to-prevent-from-happening", [unless they ban crypto, for legitimate e-$ scheme need authorities's tolerance of crypto] and backed my opinion with rational arguments. Thank you very much. Just like anybody describing and saying that the Ebola virus is mortal doesn't mean one loves to kill... So, DUHHHH squared. Another time-wasting, word-twisting, fanatic-attracting, emotional-debate-inducing idiocy like that and [not a menace but simply a description of my quality-of-life enhancing measures] I will have one of my file past the terabyte mark... Ciao jfa -- Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds(Montreal) QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Finest of Limoges porcelain and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants physicists and engineers, LabView programing. PGP encryption keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 ID# 5B51964D : 152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C