Re: 56 kbps modems
On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Jay Gairson wrote:
Speaking of ISDN, how many people, can afford to have a personal ISDN line in there house? And then afford to connect to something/someone else on a next to permanent basis monthly?
It's Phone Company Dependent. Here in Pac Bell territory, an ISDN phone line costs about 2.5 analog phone lines, and gets you two phone lines plus some signalling. Connection costs are free at night, and 1 cent/minute daytime. That may change - the phone company is appalled that all these computer people interpret the phrase "free at night" as meaning "it's _free_ at night", so their holding time predictions were bogus :-) Night is defined as 7pm-7am for ISDN. ISDN-equipped ISPs start at about $30/month; don't know if that's unlimited connect time or not. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts@ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto
Bill Stewart writes:
On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Jay Gairson wrote:
Speaking of ISDN, how many people, can afford to have a personal ISDN line in there house? And then afford to connect to something/someone else on a next to permanent basis monthly?
It's Phone Company Dependent. Here in Pac Bell territory, an ISDN phone line costs about 2.5 analog phone lines, and gets you two phone lines plus some signalling. Connection costs are free at night, and 1 cent/minute daytime. That may change - the phone company is appalled that all these computer people interpret the phrase "free at night" as meaning "it's _free_ at night", so their holding time predictions were bogus :-) Night is defined as 7pm-7am for ISDN. ISDN-equipped ISPs start at about $30/month; don't know if that's unlimited connect time or not.
It's not. We wanted a 24/7 connection, with ISDN in PacBellLand that's ~$120/month for the ISDN (Centrex) and about $300/month for an ISP to route packets. Regular ISDN (not Centrex) would be even more expensive, and to do Centrex your ISP has to be in the same CO. The one ISP that was in out CO seemed pretty clueless. Pac Bell doesn't seem to want us to use ISDN. We wound up doing Frame Relay instead. We pay about the same to PacBell but less to the ISP. In addition, since it's a Business Service, Pac Bell is pretty serious about fixing it when it breaks- none of this "we'll check it out in a day or two" like with POTS, they put a tech on it right away. As far as affording it goes, since our offices are at "home" it's just another cost of doing business. Crypto/security related: how hard is it to hack a Frame Relay connection? My impression is that it requires access to one of the telco's routing computers, which would make it about equivalent in difficulty to hacking POTS. -- Eric Murray ericm@lne.com ericm@motorcycle.com http://www.lne.com/ericm PGP keyid:E03F65E5 fingerprint:50 B0 A2 4C 7D 86 FC 03 92 E8 AC E6 7E 27 29 AF
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