-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri@netcom.com> wrote:

I tend to define government more liberally in that it does not merely exist to protect rights--

Since it is a man-made, created entity, on what vision of reality would you justify the existing principles of our collectivistic-oriented govt?

the 20th century saw a rise in government that tried to be a social force.

The govt consists of a few individuals.

this may have failed, but it does point out that people want a government to do more than merely protect their rights.

By 'peoples', do you mean productive population at large or a small bunch peoples who want their wishes to come true, no matter how many .38 special bullets it costs?

in other words, the 1776 definition of government is reasonably slightly modified. ^^^^^^^^^^ ?!?!!! Would another adjective be more appropriate?

government in its essence is a form of organized human collaboration/cooperation imho.

Yeah! With, ultimately, a *gun* under every pile of red tape, just to make you "cooperate" more easily....

it is a nervous system for a society.

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