At 03:27 PM 7/20/96 -0700, Tom Weinstein wrote:
Do you Seriously Believe that Netscape would prefer foreigners to develop and use competing products? Of course not. They are probably secretly applauding the brave exporters.
You are wrong. We are worried that our permission to provide these products will be withdrawn.
As far as I can tell, you need no "permission" to "provide these products", at least domestically. The only restrictions that have been implied have been over the delivery of encryption over the 'net, and even that is questionable. Jim Bell jimbell@pacifier.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, jim bell wrote:
Do you Seriously Believe that Netscape would prefer foreigners to develop and use competing products? Of course not. They are probably secretly applauding the brave exporters.
You are wrong. We are worried that our permission to provide these products will be withdrawn.
As far as I can tell, you need no "permission" to "provide these products", at least domestically. The only restrictions that have been implied have been over the delivery of encryption over the 'net, and even that is questionable.
If even that much. Most of the "permission" i've heard of was infered at best. The NSA, nor anybody else, has the _legal_ power to stop you from putting crypto on the Web, on FTP, or anywere else, so long as you do not _willingly_ give it to foreign citizens. If some non-citizen downloads it, and said they were a US citizen, its not your fault. you THOUGHT you were giving it to a citizen, which is all the law actually requires. Of course, if anybody like Netscape actually had the guts to take this to court, arguing that ITAR doesn't cover Crypto, the ACLU and other such would probably back them, and it'd stand a fair chance. Unfortunatly, everybody in a position to do this has decided they'd rather not risk having presidence (sp?) that this _was_ covered under ITAR, of which there is none. --Deviant -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMfJ4NjAJap8fyDMVAQH1/Qf/RmVcN8GpTUbUbC7MfhF+S06wT4ANE92I CYIlEn6dWCwA5AAc0EN0WjFy6Tww/S6VCsxemuaxJk6wS0rbAY8ot8DDsAGiilV7 bzkNJOx472paf9fEjIaN7SHzjHd1gd/ZZnQIv1v9mUIYESsC860+8LGtt+g6i/um xpFZXp+6VXog7U941JZ+AOOUnYUVqWBhciOy+zf8MU98TcpKpjpg/PJcfsrQLZWm 5+9yI8OAbLiyrrtTRTGc+jjyRU9pQ7yxU/e0+sSXSQl5iETGG79Kx3urCnO1BqoU k3E2RgTOlQ7mOSAPZIAzUxsuIBEMEs7eQQn8D7EP5Bih/0la3zRCaQ== =QxJW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 18:13:45 -0800, jim bell <jimbell@pacifier.com> wrote:
At 03:27 PM 7/20/96 -0700, Tom Weinstein wrote:
Do you Seriously Believe that Netscape would prefer foreigners to develop and use competing products? Of course not. They are probably secretly applauding the brave exporters.
You are wrong. We are worried that our permission to provide these products will be withdrawn.
As far as I can tell, you need no "permission" to "provide these products", at least domestically. The only restrictions that have been implied have been over the delivery of encryption over the 'net, and even that is questionable.
Then you need to read the license agreement: 1. Netscape Communications Corporation ("Netscape") grants to you a non-exclusive, non-sublicensable, license to use this Beta version of the Netscape network navigator (the "Software"), in binary executable form for evaluation and trial use purposes only. THIS SOFTWARE CONTAINS CODE THAT DISABLES MOST OF ITS FEATURES AFTER SEPTEMBER 17, 1996. 5. Title, ownership rights, and intellectual property rights in and to the Software shall remain in Netscape and/or its suppliers. You agree to abide by the copyright law and all other applicable laws of the United States including, but not limited to, export control laws. You acknowledge that the Software in source code form remains a confidential trade secret of Netscape and/or its suppliers and therefore you agree not to modify the Software or attempt to decipher, decompile, disassemble or reverse engineer the Software, except to the extent applicable laws specifically prohibit such restriction. 6. Netscape may terminate this License at any time by delivering notice to you and you may terminate this License at any time by destroying or erasing your copy of the Software. Upon termination of this License, or in any event within thirty (30) days following Netscape's release of a commercial version of the Software, you agree to destroy or erase the Software. In the event of termination, the following sections of this License will survive: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8. This License is personal to you and you agree not to assign your rights herein. This License shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of California and, as to matters affecting copyrights, trademarks and patents, by U.S. federal law. This License sets forth the entire agreement between you and Netscape. 8. You may not download or otherwise export or reexport the Software or any underlying information or technology except in full compliance with all United States and other applicable laws and regulations. In particular, but without limitation, none of the Software or underlying information or technology may be downloaded or otherwise exported or reexported (i) into (or to a national or resident of) Cuba, Haiti, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, North Korea, Iran, or Syria or (ii) to anyone on the US Treasury Department's list of Specially Designated Nationals or the US Commerce Department's Table of Deny Orders. By downloading the Software, you are agreeing to the foregoing and you are representing and warranting that you are not located in, under control of, or a national or resident of any such country or on any such list. Dan Weinstein djw@vplus.com http://www.vplus.com/~djw PGP public key is available from my Home Page. All opinions expressed above are mine. "I understand by 'freedom of Spirit' something quite definite - the unconditional will to say No, where it is dangerous to say No. Friedrich Nietzsche
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